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R60 Braking/Chassis malfunction, Stop vehicle carefully

Old Jun 5, 2020 | 07:06 AM
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Braking/Chassis malfunction, Stop vehicle carefully

Hello Everyone, so the wife had a couple messages pop up on the center screen today. Numbered them in the order they occurred, not sure they uploaded that way. Anyway error 1 occurred 5min from the house, changed to error 2 and cleared off the screen after about 30 seconds. Error 3 and 4 occurred maybe 15min later just as she was pulling into her work parking lot and stayed on until she shut off the car.

I've done some searching and there were a couple posts that mentioned the SZL, but not sure this any thing to do with turn signals and wipers? Checked the brake fluid level and it is full, also not weeping from any of the bleeder screws. Any suggestions, any other members have this issue?


Error 4

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Error 1




 
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 09:31 AM
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Did you check the brake fluid?
 
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 09:34 AM
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yep, fluid level is good. Maybe the sensor is bad?
 
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 09:44 AM
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Normally, I would clear the codes and see if they come back. Also, if you can run live data to see if the abs sensors are reading correctly.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 09:56 AM
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Checked codes with this. Can I see live data using it? These codes were old because we had the windshield replaced last year

 
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 01:10 PM
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I dont think these codes are sufficient to turn the CEL. But, can you find the wheels speeds live data and drive it to see if all are sending signals.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 02:14 PM
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Drove it around this afternoon and these error messages would randomly pop up and then clear a few minutes later. Tried to unplug the brake fluid reservoir sensor, just to see if anything changed and it didn't make any difference. The error messages still happened.
 
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Old Jun 5, 2020 | 02:41 PM
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Also this little OBII tool I have did let me check SZL module, but came back with no codes.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2020 | 06:56 PM
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I know you said yes, but are you sure the brake fluid isn't low?

I had the identical symptoms, and it was the brake fluid level. It's super sensitive to level.

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Old Jun 6, 2020 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by navwizard
I know you said yes, but are you sure the brake fluid isn't low?

I had the identical symptoms, and it was the brake fluid level. It's super sensitive to level.

Dan
100% positive the fluid isn’t low and it full. You all the these warming lights and the messages all happen at the same time, randomly?
 
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Old Jun 7, 2020 | 10:35 AM
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Yep, same lights and messages.

It kinda makes sense if you think about it. It would appear if it thinks the fluid is low, it disables the ABS, which makes sense as there is a pump on there. That disables the traction control. It disabled my cruise control as well if I remember right (which I assume uses the speed sensor from the ABS.)

And weirdly, in my case you'd think it would tend to come on making a left when the fluid has the potential to move away from the sensor, but it seemed completely random. I'd just intermittently get all those lights and it would bong at me.
i initially thought it wasn't fluid level, but the reservoirs on these cars is so flat it doesn't take much of a low level to trigger the sensor. Mine wasn't below the min mark, but still went off intermittently. I just got lucky I guess.

The sensor isn't expensive, but is a bit annoying to change. Suck out the brake fluid, etc. Curiously, according to newtis you don't have to bleed the brakes afterwards.

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Old Jun 7, 2020 | 05:45 PM
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I’ll have to call the dealer for the brake fluid reservoir. My shop can’t get it when I checked Friday.

thanks for the heads up. This does seems to be the cheapest fix first.

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Old Jun 7, 2020 | 07:30 PM
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Note on the early Countryman's it was possible to just replace the sensor instead of the entire reservoir to save a couple bucks, but on later cars you can't. Not sure what year your car is.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=34_1565

The reservoir is only like $40-ish more than the sensor though, not big money in any case.

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Old Jun 8, 2020 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by navwizard
Note on the early Countryman's it was possible to just replace the sensor instead of the entire reservoir to save a couple bucks, but on later cars you can't. Not sure what year your car is.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/sho...diagId=34_1565

The reservoir is only like $40-ish more than the sensor though, not big money in any case.

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Can you buy from that site?
 
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Old Jun 8, 2020 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dfera
Can you buy from that site?
No, but you can buy from:
https://www.outmotoring.com/
Or
https://www.ecstuning.com/

I would use real oem to enter your vin to verify the part number. Sometimes the parts cost at the dealer isn't bad, and sometimes it's really expensive I've found.

I've bought from outmotoring and they are good to work with.

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realoem is just a diagram, no purchases. You can dump those part numbers into our site. We have the largest data group.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2020 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ECSTuning
realoem is just a diagram, no purchases. You can dump those part numbers into our site. We have the largest data group.
I had never heard of realoem, but I’ve been ordering from you guys for years for my R53, and my VW Corrado. Ordered the reservoir Monday from you guys hopefully it’ll be here Friday so I have something to do this weekend.

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Old Jun 17, 2020 | 05:05 PM
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Just want to close this out. Replaced the reservoir took it for a drive and no alarms or warnings. Didn’t know about this reverse torx bit but good thing I had a set from working on my sons R53.


 
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Awesome!
glad you got it sorted
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Old Jul 21, 2020 | 09:16 AM
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Thought it was fixed, but the issue is back. Same warnings as before. Any other suggestions other than the fluid level sensor?

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I'd check & clean the electrical plugs & sockets for corrosion.
 
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Old Jul 23, 2020 | 06:23 AM
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Nope, all the pins are clean and there is no corrosion on the brake fluid reservoir level sensor. We don't get much corrosion here in NC. Were you referring to other sensors? Could it be that the new sensor went bad? I'm going to call ECS Tuning this morning to see if there is any warranty on the part.

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Old Jul 23, 2020 | 01:13 PM
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One thing you could so is remove that connector on the reservoir and jumper the two wires together, then drive around for a bit and see if the warning occurs.

its a simple reed switch, closed when fluid is good, open when it's low.

That would narrow down if the fault is there or somewhere else.

Note if you just pull it off without jumpering you should see the same warnings.

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Old Jul 24, 2020 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by navwizard
One thing you could so is remove that connector on the reservoir and jumper the two wires together, then drive around for a bit and see if the warning occurs.

its a simple reed switch, closed when fluid is good, open when it's low.

That would narrow down if the fault is there or somewhere else.

Note if you just pull it off without jumpering you should see the same warnings.

cheers!

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a jumper has worked. Drove around for a little this afternoon and not once did it pop up these warnings

so I guess the part from ECS is in fact bad then?

thanks
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