Hi Guys

Looking for some free advice!

Trying to get a feeling which way to go.

2011 s 30k miles $ 15 k
2011 s 30K miles $ 17 K all4
2012 S 30k miles $ 20k all4

All things being equal how much extra should I pay for all 4 ?

Thanks

2012 for sure, had the first year CM, I won't recommend them, too many glitches...traded it for a Japanese

The 'glitches' that were a problem with the 2011's were still there for the 2012's. I think each vehicle should be evaluated on its own merits & service history if available.

My 2012 SAll4 was great. Drove it 60k in 36 months. I had the thermostat replaced three times that was all on regular service visits I have the solenoid issue as well but was replaced on the service visit and I had a water pump go bad other than that it was great. I now drive a 2015 SAll4.

Hi Johnny

My recommendation keep looking

You can find the same specifications and price of the 2012 but 2013 instead.

I did it a couple weeks ago

Danny

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Agree with the above - the price depends more on condition and other options - whether it's a stripper or has a lot of the ala carte options. The value of All4 depends on your location and driving style

The 2013 has several minor updates, probably the most significant is rearrangement of the window switches from the center stack to the doors

That said - I'll put this up for your consideration - I've posted it high and willing to negotiate, depending on what you're looking for

2012 Mini Countryman Cooper S All4 Turbo 6MT Loaded $21850
http://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/5261699265.html

Do you need ALL4? I think I bought it strictly because of the weather, roads, and activities... I live in Germany. Do you want the added expenses with ALL4 and is it needed

I do live in the snow belt but that being said any car with good winter tires will perform better than any 4wd with all seasons.
So I'm not only looking at all4 s but they would be preferable.

I'm a Mini enthusiast and have been a forum member for many years, but I would strongly suggest avoiding any 2011 or 2012 Countryman, especially the S models.

Owners of 2011's and 2012's have had widespread problems. If someone tries to deny that, it's all here on this forum. Just go back to those years on the forum and look at what owners were reporting. Take a look at the tabulations from Consumer Reports based on widespread surveys of owners, and you can see just how bad it really is.

Sure there are some owners who have had no problems...thankfully the failure rates never approached 100%.

But the good news is that the situation has seemed to improve with each subsequent model year, especially starting with 2013 when BMW made a bunch of updates to the Countryman.

We owned a 2012 that had kept blowing fuel pump and fuel injection fuses. The car had to be towed to the dealer multiple times. The dealer could never figure out what the cause was. We finally started carrying spare fuses...a laughable solution, eh?

Under threat of a lemon law action BMW/Mini replaced the 2012 with a new 2013, and our experience with the replacement 2013 (now at 46k miles) has been far better. After owning the two cars back to back, it seems to be very obvious that the build quality substantially improved in 2013 with the changes they made to the car (it's obvious in things even like the switchgear).

With the 2013, at 8k miles there was a noise coming from the front axle that turned out to be a cracked wheel bearing, and the drivers lumbar broke at 18k miles. The lumbar seems to be a common problem as several others here have reported it, and the fact that the dealer would keep these parts in stock seems to be another indication that the problem is common.

The good news is that we have had no new problems in the last 25,000 miles.

What's unfortunate is that Consumer Reports continues to project brand new Countrymen as likely to be problematic. If you dig into their own data, clearly they are saying this based on the overall 4 year history of the model, and they don't seem to be noticing that the number of problems owners of '13's and '14's are reporting have dropped substantially.

Of course I'm not saying that all the sudden a brand new Countryman is going to be one of least troublesome vehicles on the market, but if you look at the data you can see that it's now "middle of the pack" versus being one of the most troublesome vehicles, which is where it was 3/4 years ago.