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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 09:24 AM
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you are right too.. but BBS does not have the LM's in 18" ...
 
Old Mar 23, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Rally@StanceDesign
I want a Ferrari but certainly can't afford it. Doesn't mean I paint it red and write Ferrari on the back of my mini

There are lots of good looking, affordable wheels, that AREN'T replicas out there
That is very debatable and heavily one's opinion. Painting your MINI red and writing Ferrari on the back will yield something that looks NOTHING like a Ferrari. There was a jalopnik story where someone in Asia modded a old Toyota MR2 to make it look like a Ferrari. Took him a lot of man hours but cost him much less than a Ferrari at the end. Was he satisfied? Yes. Was "some" people impressed with his dedication? Yes. Is it a real Ferrari? No. But satisfaction to one's self is key even if others look down upon it.

There are a lot of good looking affordable wheels that AREN'T replicas, but that doesn't mean that can satisfy one's hunger for the BBS LM look. If a replica gets the job done then why not? Satisfaction to one's self is key even if others look down upon it.
 
Old Mar 23, 2009 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MrCooperS
There are a lot of good looking affordable wheels that AREN'T replicas, but that doesn't mean that can satisfy one's hunger for the BBS LM look. If a replica gets the job done then why not? Satisfaction to one's self is key even if others look down upon it.
Morals. "Fairness". Respect for hard work.

It has very little to do with what's "cool".

It's not fair to the original companies. They spend a great deal of time and money to design, test, re-design, manufacture, and then market each wheel design. Companies like BBS, Volk, OZ have spent a great deal of time and effort to establish a name for their companies and wheels. They are known to be expensive, but it's also known that the expense is justified with high quality, strong, and original products.

Now let's introduce a cheap company that comes in and rather than come up with a similar design or a design on their own, they just make a direct copy. By cutting corners where it counts (strength, paint quality, quality of metal, lack of testing, one-piece wheels versus two-piece wheels) they are able to offer the wheels at a much lower cost. Now all of a sudden the original wheels lose their exclusivity, their design is now associated to low quality products, and the market for them is being stolen by imitations.

The sales and purchases are hurting the high quality wheel companies a great deal. The replicas are hurting the companies financially as well as damaging the name that the companies have worked so hard to create for themselves. Selling and buying replica wheels is only going to hinder the future of wheel design as the quality wheel companies struggle to survive among a market full of idea-thiefs. I wish I could afford wheels in that price range too, but out of fairness I refuse to buy replicas when the real wheel is still available for purchase. The same goes for all other products for me. It's out of respect for the time and effort that is put in by hard working individuals seeking to create original products.

From the article where I got the pictures:

Image losses due to poor quality, and economic losses for the world-wide AC Schnitzer dealership organization amounting to millions, are only two important reasons why AC Schnitzer is taking firm action against product piracy,”
 

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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Rally@StanceDesign
Morals.

It's not fair to the original companies. They spend a great deal of time and money to design, test, re-design, manufacture, and then market each wheel design. Companies like BBS, Volk, OZ have spent a great deal of time and effort to establish a name for their companies and wheels for high quality, strong wheels. They are known to be expensive, but it's also known that the expense is justified with high quality products.

No let's introduce a cheap company that comes in and rather than come up with a similar design or a design on their own, they just make a direct copy. By cutting corners where it counts (strength, paint quality, quality of metal, lack of testing, one-piece wheels versus two-piece wheels) they are able to offer the wheels at a much lower cost. Now all of a sudden the Original wheels lose their exclusivity their design is now associated to low quality products, and the market for them is being stolen by imitations.

The sales and purchases are hurting the high quality wheel companies a great deal. Selling and buying replica wheels is only going to hinder the future of wheel design as the quality wheel companies struggle to survive among a market full of idea-thiefs. I wish I could afford wheels in that price range too, but out of morals I refuse to buy replicas when the real wheel is still available for purchase. The same goes for all products for me. It's out of respect for the time and effort that is put in by hard working individuals seeking to create original products.

From the article where I got the pictures:
See. This I can understand. But that has nothing to do with painting your MINI red and calling it a Ferrari. While I agree, that respect for time and effort for hard working individuals is due; there are a lot more other people out there who thinks about their wallet first before their morals. See this as a problem or not. Replicas are the only way some people can enjoy the design of a product without ever spending their life savings on it. I guess this is where my opinion comes into play. Growing up in the projects, I knew a lot of people who would LOVE to spend money on 100% authentic high quality products. But that's spending money that don't have. Take my mom for example, when we grew up, she lived on fake Gucci and Coach bags. But now that we're much better off, she's rocking the real thing. I understand your side and your point of view, I just hope you understand mines.
 
Old Mar 23, 2009 | 10:26 AM
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The ferrari thing was just a joke

Originally Posted by MrCooperS
See this as a problem or not. Replicas are the only way some people can enjoy the design of a product without ever spending their life savings on it.
I definitely see your side/perspective and understand it. I just feel that there are great alternatives out there. Enjoy the look of a 17 or 18 inch mesh wheel with 2-piece style bolts like the LM? ASA AR1's are a great option...and those don't run into the same moral issues. You don't HAVE to have wheels that looks JUST LIKE LM's if you like the design. You can live within your budget and get wheels of a similar design without dealing with pirated/stolen designs.

Just my personal opinion, though I respect where you're coming from.
 
Old Mar 23, 2009 | 05:11 PM
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What wheel model/brand are these pictured here? Available in 17/18"??

Anyone?

Originally Posted by mrflema
Here with 19's
 
Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:25 PM
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Those are SSR's in 18 inch. They were just for sale in the marketplace last month. I believe they are also available in 17 inch. Tire Rack carries them.
 
Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:44 PM
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They are 19's, it says so in the quote.
 
Old Mar 23, 2009 | 09:04 PM
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Thanks.
 
Old Mar 24, 2009 | 04:29 AM
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Meant to say 19 inch not 18. I guess I was tired last night.
 
Old Mar 25, 2009 | 07:33 AM
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These are the real deals, not replicas!

17x7.5 - Zender Milanos
Weight - have no idea and don't give a ****
Color - silver, duh

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Old Mar 25, 2009 | 07:54 AM
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looks like you could load some artillery rounds into the holes , cool look .
 
Old Mar 25, 2009 | 08:28 AM
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Those are cool Konky
 
Old Mar 25, 2009 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Konky
These are the real deals, not replicas!

17x7.5 - Zender Milanos
Weight - have no idea and don't give a ****
Color - silver, duh


Those are HOT.
 
Old Mar 25, 2009 | 09:46 AM
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Lets see some rolling shots! They looks sweet by the way.
 
Old Mar 25, 2009 | 11:43 AM
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Holy #$@$ that looks awsome!!
great choice!!

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Old Mar 25, 2009 | 06:24 PM
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17" OZ superturismo GT in Matt Black



 
Old Mar 25, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Konky
These are the real deals, not replicas!

17x7.5 - Zender Milanos
Weight - have no idea and don't give a ****
Color - silver, duh



sick...plain sick
 
Old Mar 25, 2009 | 08:36 PM
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holy cow... Konky, those look awsome. Especially with the car so low, the stance is great!
 
Old Mar 25, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Konky
These are the real deals, not replicas!

17x7.5 - Zender Milanos
Those look great!!



--Dan
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Old Mar 26, 2009 | 12:32 AM
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Konky wins!!!!

those are freakin awesome...great come up!!!
 
Old Mar 26, 2009 | 07:11 AM
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konky, just checked out your website... that mini has seen it's share of wheels! these lastest are the best!!
 
Old Mar 26, 2009 | 07:33 PM
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SSR Type-C in anthracite, currently on closeout at TireRack. (Lightest 16" wheels they offer.) They're a bit aggressive looking for my taste, I bought them for function, not form.

 
Old Mar 27, 2009 | 09:13 AM
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+1 sans caps and stickers looks great!

Alex
 
Old Mar 27, 2009 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex@tirerack
+1 sans caps and stickers looks great!
I think the centre caps which come with them are rather dorky, I'd be happy to leave off the centre caps. When you get to the track, they should be taken off anyway. I'm just a bit worried that the front axel bits looks so exposed.

I'm glad the stickers came not already stuck, I was contemplating that I'd have to remove them if they were already attached. As it is, I have spare stickers if anyone wants them. I may have spare centre caps if I can find an alternative. Given the MSRP of the centre caps is $35!! I'm a little hesitant to just cut them up, but I may do.
 



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