Sorry, don't know how to post a direct link. Check ebcbrakes.com and under red stuff is an address to MIRA. You'll probably have to contact them directly to get a copy of that test.

 

I agree.

The OEM pads are perfectly capable of activating the ABS on street tires; there's not much more to be had by changing pads without changing tires. No way on an unaltered setup you're cutting 40 feet. 40 inches, maybe. If we could do that with pads alone, there'd be no need for Porsche to invest all that money in brakes....

 

Had for a week.......cleaned the wheels and still no dust which is great. Stopping great too. Are you just changing your pads? Recommend changing rotors too.

 

It's easy to post a link. Just go to the page you want to link to, highlight the address in the address bar, right click and copy the address, in the reply window on the forum, right click and past the address into your message.

http://www.mira.co.uk/Services/Testing.htm

See?

Dave

 

I am in total agreement but I thought that if there was something out there that could make me purchase a fantastic new product, I would like to see it. With my current knowledge, if this is the ad from EBC, it does make me more than a little skeptical about their products.

PS: At threshold braking (not at ABS but close), better brake modulation may give you a somewhat better stopping distance, perhaps 40 inches (definately not feet). You may be talking about people with Lewis Hamilton or Michael Schumacher abilities here.

 

they come w/ a coupon for a West Marine boat anchor you just toss out the window while stopping! Ya, that'll get the 40' once it grabs no prob. Not.

Totally agreed. Pads don't shorten stopping distances on modern cars except as you say. If the pads can lock the rotors, which virtually all cars I have driven can save maybe a Chrysler T&C minivan while towing a boat, the quality of the pad isn't going to change street stopping distances much at all. Street everyday driving that is, not track w/ hotter brake temps.

As you say too, I like EBC products and use the Reds on several Audi's at up to 2x + the Mini S HP, but their ad claim is baloney. Having used Reds a good amount now, they basically stop like OEM, but without the OEM dust storm. It's debated whether they are somewhat tough on rotors--I have yet to run them to a carefully measured comparison point against stock on the same vehicle--but it's pretty obvious from the rapid wear rotor threads the OEM ones are too. If you want to affect stopping distance, you really need to look at tires--sizes and compounds--and somewhat suspension and weight transfer.

 

That is why I like Carbotechs. When I run their track pads (XP12/10 combo) on OEM rotors (OEM brake setup), I would get 4-5 front pad changes for each front rotor change. And I had to change the rotor because of heat cracks, not because it was at the minimum thickness. I should have changed the rotors perhaps every two or three pads changes but they were prefectly balanced with so little wear (except for the heat cracks).

 

Yeah, carbotechs are the friendliest pads I've ever used on the rotors.

Off topic: I'm in the process of putting in Brakeman Tornado (F3) calipers, and I'm going to try his #3 compound.

Then I'll probably try Performance Friction, and that'll be it--it'll be one of those pad compounds. I really want to try and dial in the temperatures this year.

So far, out of Raybestos, Poly B's and Carbotech's, Carbotech's are my favorite--very user friendly, easy to modulate, good for someone like me who still has a lot to learn.

For the street, Carbotech Bobcat's hands down my favorite.

 

That is absolutely ridiculous.

I actually wouldn't believe it if it was 40" either, depending on the car.

- Andrew

 

I was thinking about this...Maybe by EBC's line of reasoning, if you go from a single piston caliper to a double piston caliper, maybe you could double that 40 feet to 80 feet with the right pad? You can even fit a 6 pot on the Mini, and take off a whopping 120 feet! And if you go with a BBK on front and rears, you could get your 100mph stops to less than a foot...

I did the math. It's all legit...

Ah well, companies spout this out all the time, but unless there is some independent 3rd party testing, it's nothing more than an advertisement.

 

Hey man, too much thinking and math there for your own good. Next you will be measuring the cf of the pavement

EBC, it is show us time

 

Yup, a few of us seem to think perhaps it is a little too far fetched.

I did rationalize perhaps 40" with Lewis Hamilton threshold braking against me from 100 mph to zero. Then perhaps it could be 80" or 120" even knowing my skill level. But then when we change cars,he will still beat me by the same amount. You think by chance it could be the driver?

 

Agreed - 40' is way over the top, but I can see how a good improvement can be made if you're starting from 100mph. Especially if the tests were conducted after several hard stops putting the OEM pads out of their effective temperature range. If the reds fade significantly less at the higher temps, I can see a few feet.........still not 40 though.

 

whats a good website for brake pads? and why is it when i search for them i find the same exact product on the same site for different amount of money?

 

a German engineered car with Euro brakes is not going to use a set of pads and (sufficiently sized) rotors that can't take a fair number of high speed stops. Not just as a design issue, but also for European certification requirements. One of the area where German cars can be very different than a car from the Asian markets or at least the older stereotype American car, either of which could be meaningfully underbraked.

 

I just ordered EBC Greenstuff 2000's, Brembo 25610 rotors, and the Beck Arnley sensor off Amazon to replace my front pads/rotors. I picked the EBC's based on what I read in this post and the fact that Amazon didn't carry Carbotech. I was ordering other crap from AMZN and didn't feel like messing with multiple sites (plus I have the free Prime via "Amazon Mom" (they let dads in too)).

I'm just a type A with rabies street driver in an R50, so I don't need anything fancy, just reliable. I hope these work out.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002IBUCBQ
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CNGQ44
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GX7AWC

Somebody poke me via PM if I don't report back in a week or two

 

Ok, I now have a new favorite term, that's funniest thing I've seen in awhile; it's fantastic!

When describing my off at turn 5 at Road America a few years ago, instead of going into sordid detail, when someone asks what happened, I'm just going to say I meaningfully underbraked.

 

I too now have a new favorite phase, as opposed to woefully underbraked or brake brake brake brake and I mean now or hot hot hot too hot.

 

I think there were some brake tests done on a few cars and SUVs by one of a major car mags a few years ago. All of it done on OEM brakes and pads with successive 80 to 0 mph stops and measuring of brake fade. Of all the euro manufacturers, only Porsche And BMW M was good for sustained use, not regular BMW, not Mercedes etc and definitely not Nissan z.

 

I've done full open track days in two separate 350zs, and one 370z. I'm rough on brakes. All were on stock pads, and all made it through with just a light softening of the pedal. They're big, heavy, high powered cars, too. Very good brakes on those cars, though direct experience.

 

the second link, the brake pads, are those individual, set of 2, or set of 4?

 

That was what was reported. It was one of the cars that could not finish the test.

I think Nissan did a recall and changed their pad formula after this.

You must be able to really preserve your brakes well using OEM brakes for Open Track. I have never seen full runs on OT for any car. You actually managed to drive these cars at track speeds with constant braking and cornering for 6-8 hours in open track! Wow.

How many brake pads and tires?

 

Should always be 4 pads, two for each side. Prices at Amazon look a tad high to me.

 

two for each side of the brake right? So that means they are sold by 4 pads for two wheels correct?

 

Back to off topic: don't know about the 350Z's, but the 370Z's are notorious for killing brakes. Lot of specualtion on pads, air flow, etc., etc., but the 370's have a less than stellar rep for brakes, with regard to overheating and fade.