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Thanks for the pic. Nice looking wheels. Looks like they'll probably have good brake caliper clearance too.
etalj,
Interesting observations between your MCS and your friend's Pugeot. With the same model tire, you would think the behavior would be similar. I haven't tried the Goodyears myself, but I would think that they would be like most summer tires and not squeal a lot on dry pavement. If you are spinning the tires as they pass over paint stripes on the road, even summer tires, that does tend to make more noise. When launching hard with wheelspin, the tires I've used don't squeal much but do smoke. Harder all-seasons tend to make more noise and alot less smoke.
Anyway, you both have similar tires. I don't know if this is the case for you, but sometimes the same model tire is constructed or compounded somewhat differently in different sizes or speed ratings. Also, if your tires are older or more worn than your friend's that will make a difference too, especially in the rain.
Scott
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etalj,
Interesting observations between your MCS and your friend's Pugeot. With the same model tire, you would think the behavior would be similar. I haven't tried the Goodyears myself, but I would think that they would be like most summer tires and not squeal a lot on dry pavement. If you are spinning the tires as they pass over paint stripes on the road, even summer tires, that does tend to make more noise. When launching hard with wheelspin, the tires I've used don't squeal much but do smoke. Harder all-seasons tend to make more noise and alot less smoke.
Anyway, you both have similar tires. I don't know if this is the case for you, but sometimes the same model tire is constructed or compounded somewhat differently in different sizes or speed ratings. Also, if your tires are older or more worn than your friend's that will make a difference too, especially in the rain.
Scott
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How 'bout a set of Leda adjustable shocks. They aren't cheap, but at least you can get to the adjusters without removing the shocks.
When you want to go canyon carving, stiffen them up. When you want to take grandma to the store, run them full soft.
You can also play with the front to rear siffness ratio to further tune the balance of the car at corner entry/exit. (shocks don't effect mid-corner balance.....springs/sway bars do)
Don't forget about rear alignment. Rear toe can make a huge difference in the balance of the car. But remember that too much toe (in or out) wears the tires out more than any other alignment setting.
When you want to go canyon carving, stiffen them up. When you want to take grandma to the store, run them full soft.
You can also play with the front to rear siffness ratio to further tune the balance of the car at corner entry/exit. (shocks don't effect mid-corner balance.....springs/sway bars do)
Don't forget about rear alignment. Rear toe can make a huge difference in the balance of the car. But remember that too much toe (in or out) wears the tires out more than any other alignment setting.
How 'bout a set of Leda adjustable shocks. They aren't cheap, but at least you can get to the adjusters without removing the shocks.
When you want to go canyon carving, stiffen them up. When you want to take grandma to the store, run them full soft.
You can also play with the front to rear siffness ratio to further tune the balance of the car at corner entry/exit. (shocks don't effect mid-corner balance.....springs/sway bars do)
Don't forget about rear alignment. Rear toe can make a huge difference in the balance of the car. But remember that too much toe (in or out) wears the tires out more than any other alignment setting.
When you want to go canyon carving, stiffen them up. When you want to take grandma to the store, run them full soft.
You can also play with the front to rear siffness ratio to further tune the balance of the car at corner entry/exit. (shocks don't effect mid-corner balance.....springs/sway bars do)
Don't forget about rear alignment. Rear toe can make a huge difference in the balance of the car. But remember that too much toe (in or out) wears the tires out more than any other alignment setting.
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i dunno, it's just that this is one of many things that leads me to believe that there is something a little wrong with my car.
Everyone raves about how good the Eagle F1s are for the MINI, and mine wear exceedingly quickly (6000km and the fronts are bald), are noisy, don't grip that well, are shocking in the rain, and have poor steering response in comparison to the runflats.
Everyone raves about how good the Eagle F1s are for the MINI, and mine wear exceedingly quickly (6000km and the fronts are bald), are noisy, don't grip that well, are shocking in the rain, and have poor steering response in comparison to the runflats.
Thanks for the pic. Nice looking wheels. Looks like they'll probably have good brake caliper clearance too.
etalj,
Interesting observations between your MCS and your friend's Pugeot. With the same model tire, you would think the behavior would be similar. I haven't tried the Goodyears myself, but I would think that they would be like most summer tires and not squeal a lot on dry pavement. If you are spinning the tires as they pass over paint stripes on the road, even summer tires, that does tend to make more noise. When launching hard with wheelspin, the tires I've used don't squeal much but do smoke. Harder all-seasons tend to make more noise and alot less smoke.
Anyway, you both have similar tires. I don't know if this is the case for you, but sometimes the same model tire is constructed or compounded somewhat differently in different sizes or speed ratings. Also, if your tires are older or more worn than your friend's that will make a difference too, especially in the rain.
Scott
90SM
etalj,
Interesting observations between your MCS and your friend's Pugeot. With the same model tire, you would think the behavior would be similar. I haven't tried the Goodyears myself, but I would think that they would be like most summer tires and not squeal a lot on dry pavement. If you are spinning the tires as they pass over paint stripes on the road, even summer tires, that does tend to make more noise. When launching hard with wheelspin, the tires I've used don't squeal much but do smoke. Harder all-seasons tend to make more noise and alot less smoke.
Anyway, you both have similar tires. I don't know if this is the case for you, but sometimes the same model tire is constructed or compounded somewhat differently in different sizes or speed ratings. Also, if your tires are older or more worn than your friend's that will make a difference too, especially in the rain.
Scott
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Hmmm,
When was the last time you had your front toe checked? Too much toe (in or out) can really eat up tires plus lead to some "interesting" handling. Worn tires will noticably reduce wet performance too.
Scott
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When was the last time you had your front toe checked? Too much toe (in or out) can really eat up tires plus lead to some "interesting" handling. Worn tires will noticably reduce wet performance too.
Scott
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really? What do you mean by interesting handling? My handling isn't very sure or solid, especially over bumps (midcorner, the bumps make it even worse). My tires make a really loud scrubbing noise on the road, whereas my friend's are dead quiet, only emitting the occasional squeal during hard cornering...
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Sounds like a toe problem even more now. Toe out will make the car more responsive in intial turn-in, but also much more susceptable to road irregularities. It is not likely to feel very stable or to track very straight on less than perfect surfaces. Not very confidence inspiring at high speeds. If it is even side-to-side, things will be even worse.
Definitely have that alignment checked.
Scott
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Definitely have that alignment checked.
Scott
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I've found that tire brand, model and pressure make much more of a difference in sound than alignment. The only way there's going to be a major difference in scrubbing noise with alignment is if it's really messed up.
I agree on toe out. I've gotten used to it, though, because I basically keep my autocrossing alignment all year. I'll take the quick turn in over high-speed stability any day. Just don't sneeze on the highway. You may end up 3 lanes over.
I agree on toe out. I've gotten used to it, though, because I basically keep my autocrossing alignment all year. I'll take the quick turn in over high-speed stability any day. Just don't sneeze on the highway. You may end up 3 lanes over.
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Well the thing is, my mate has eagle f1s, and his are DEAD silent. Everyone with eagle f1s has said that they are quiet. I've tried a variety of pressures, and they're quieter with higher pressure, but still much louder than my mate's
I've found that tire brand, model and pressure make much more of a difference in sound than alignment. The only way there's going to be a major difference in scrubbing noise with alignment is if it's really messed up.
I agree on toe out. I've gotten used to it, though, because I basically keep my autocrossing alignment all year. I'll take the quick turn in over high-speed stability any day. Just don't sneeze on the highway. You may end up 3 lanes over.
I agree on toe out. I've gotten used to it, though, because I basically keep my autocrossing alignment all year. I'll take the quick turn in over high-speed stability any day. Just don't sneeze on the highway. You may end up 3 lanes over.
Just to update - blew a runflat and since I had the Xmas tires and rims in the garage - on they went!
I cannot believe how much the runflats SUCK
The car handles soooo much better. The Falken Avenis are delicious - it feels like they will never let go of the road. No squeals either.
I cannot believe how much the runflats SUCK
The car handles soooo much better. The Falken Avenis are delicious - it feels like they will never let go of the road. No squeals either.
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