These are the new camber plates that Webb Motorsports and Perfect Power will sell. These are the best and only true monoballs with top-adjustable camber with indexed marks at .5 degrees and 2.5+degrees of range (from =.5 to -2.5). They are anodized aluminum and stainless steel construction with Aurora monoballs. They are $495 and available today. Call Randy @: www.webbmotorsports.com or Sol @: www.perfectpowerinc.com

These are a Perfect Power Racing Product.

 

"These are the...only true monoballs "

My 2" ***** might be bigger than your *****.

 

Perfpow,
Thanks for the info and picture. Does this thread need to be in Vendor announcements or did you want comments about interest?

This camber plate looks solid and thick- which means does it have any problems with fitment using various front tower strut bars? I would worry that with a thick plate the mounting of the strut bar would be too close to the inner bonnet lining and rubbing would occur.

Is there an attachment (maybe in the future) for a built in front tower strut brace to use specifically for this camber plate?

Also just confirming that this plate allows for adjustment of front camber only and not for caster.

Even though you do have markings for how many degrees negative camber there could be for each plate I have found that not all MINIs are equally endowed. When installing my RDR plates the alignment shop told me one side could be adjusted only to -1.0 degree while the other was -0.8 degree. I wanted -2.2 degrees and didn't want to change it so it didn't matter to me but each side may have different limits and maybe different settings. Therefore you may set your camber using the plate markings and then fine tune with an alignment to check for accuracy, then mark or etch the settings so you know how much camber it was measured to.

Do you know the weight of each plate with hardware?

 

Randy personally installed these on my MCS this past Monday. He had them over-nighted, and I believe the first to a customer.

They mount on the underside, which I think is a positive, and not just because it makes for a tower strut brace option. There is no caster provision. I believe only 2 other plates provide for this, one being jlm's.

I like how he drilled them out to shave some weight. He said that he was thinking of me! I don't dare tell the wife . He said that they should allow for rather extreme camber. I'll have to report back on that later...

The shots provided below were sent to me from a fella's cell phone camera. I'll provide some later installed...

 

...been trying to for the last two days.....no ones home!

 

Perfect Power was a vendor on NAM (MCO) for a while, but stopped advertising several months ago. However, because Webb Motorsports is a vendor, and this has been a long anticipated product, I thought I'd show the first good pictures of it here. Perfect Power has these in stock, and if you can't get a hold of Randy, call us at 847-367-8837. The phone will be answered pretty much any time you call, or your call will be returned quickly.
Minihune, it is true that some cars have asymmetrical adjustment ranges. That is one more reason that a camber adjustment is needed. This may not allow -2.5 degrees, but it has 2.5+ degrees of range. These are a pretty straightforward install, and easy to adjust. You can always do an alignment and then mark your camber plate or note your index marks' actual values.

PerfPow

 

BTW, JLM,

We shouldn't turn this into a 'pissing match'.

Seriously, where could I see yours? (camber plates, not *****)

PerfPow

 

I'm glad to see your product; mine was the first set made for the Mini, primarily for my own car, but were too expensive to continue with. there are about 15 sets out there; now collector's items. the first incarnation had a radial bearing/polyurethane alignable bearing later replaced with a 2" nylon ball in a 3" OD aluminum socket with a grease fitting. I've had a set of those on my own car for over 6000 miles now with no problems, just a bit of noise.


a few ??'s:
how do you lube the ball joint?
is your unit mounted entirely under the fender?
do you retain the same ride height as with the stock nount? I know Randy went ape when i used US fasteners; are yours metric?
have you got an underhood photo of a mounted set?
how easy is it to get at the adjustment bolts (I presume the only access is through the large hole in the fender?? or from below?

 

a few ??'s:
how do you lube the ball joint?
is your unit mounted entirely under the fender?
do you retain the same ride height as with the stock nount? I know Randy went ape when i used US fasteners; are yours metric?
have you got an underhood photo of a mounted set?
how easy is it to get at the adjustment bolts (I presume the only access is through the large hole in the fender?? or from below?

The monoball is teflon lined-no lube.
It is mounted under the fender, completely
It retains ride height
It uses stainless steel fasteners-standard, not metric
The four 1/2" stainless nylocks can be loosened with a crow's foot or an open end wrench. They form a square centered in the circular opening. Everything can be done from on top.

PerfPow

 

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has anyone tracked these yet? reviews?

 

blue, I take it that you mean Randy's new plates, as opposed to others mentioned above...

I have not. And as you probably want someone other than Randy, I can't say... With that said, he did use them on a 4+ enduro, and after going off-road, not be design, they didn't budge on him. He was quite happy!

He finished 3rd, behind two well-prepped 911's.

 

I just picked these up today along with a set of Konis and H-sport springs. I got them from R-speed and Joe there told me that I'd need to wait for him to get the smaller lower spacer piece since there aren't as many threads on the Koni. Has anybody installed these plates on Konis with the spacer that comes with the kit? Joe said that there was a chance that I'd get the top nut on far enough, but wasn't sure.

He called Randy while I was there and asked for a couple of the thinner spacers but if anybody knows if the ones that come with it will fit then I'll go ahead and get them on as is.

Also, in the directions it states to use an impact wrench to tighten down the top 22mm nut. If I don't have an impact wrench is there any way to give this a good tightening with hand tools or do I need to find an impact wrench?

 

i ordered my camber plates from sol at perfect power the other day. i got them in a third the time i expected them. i installed them this evening. granted this is my second set of camber plates i've gotten pretty good at it. the only problem i've had with these new plates was getting the inside of the three mounting screw locked down so i could tighten from the top. it was quite difficult to do but it seems i've gotten it done. no real test yet. i've got a few track days this weekend. i'll be sure to let everyone know.

Chris.

if anyone wants some used (less than a year) K-mac camber plates let me know.

 

I believe I know what you are talking about... I hit them with an impact, just briefly, and that snugged them up quite nicely.

Indeed, please do share your impressions from the track!

 

Ok, well I got the plates on... ended up getting the thinner spacers which was definately needed, and hit them with an impact gun to tighten up the top nut.

I've got the camber at max negative which is 2.5 (confirmed from my alignment), and the handling is nothing short of amazing! In my opinion these are much better than a rear swaybar for handling. Negative camber is truly the nectar of the God's on the MINI.

I ran them at an autocross on Sunday (pre-alignment with nearly 2 degrees of toe in!) and managed to eek 2nd place in a somewhat light STS (5 cars I believe). I still slaughtered a Civic Si with springs, shocks, swaybars, Azenis Sports, intake, software, and full exhaust by over a second:D!

 

Chris, did you ever hit the track? Would love to hear your impressions... Thanks a bunch.

 

i had a blast at the track last weekend. the way the BMW club works is that you don't know what group you'll be in until you register. i was quite pleased to find out that i'd been bumped up to the B group this time. no longer was i just passing people. now i'm doing a lot of pointing by. from looking at my in-car video i've picked up a lot of speed. about 10 mph around the track.



i had to get a new set of tires the friday before driving school. i wasn't comfortable with using brand new tires on the track but i let me tires go too far. at least the new camber plates helped in not eating up the outside edges. i did notice that with full negative camber on the front wheels they were at least a degree different from each other. now i'll take the car to the shop and let them set the camber and toe where it needs to be for the street.



there were two other MINI's in my group. they both race there cars... lighter and faster than me. they both have lots more track time than me and more money. big brakes roll cages stripped out interiors. track wheels, R-compound tires and judging from the stickers they have sponsors. at one of our sunday sessions we all ended up in a row. this was not intended. i knew they were faster than me so i'd been avoiding them. we made a nice MINI train for about a lap and a half on VIR's 2.2 mile north course. the two fast MINI's got around a Bimmer in a very short passing zone and i didn't get the point by. by the time we got to the next passing zone the other MINI's were a half mile ahead of me.



i was dreaming of being back at the track this weekend but i did have to work. there is a great event at VIR this weekend with lots of track time and a dyno there for all to play with.



one final note. the BMW CCA magazine "roundel" had three articles on MINI's this month. one about moding a MINI. it stated that they dyno'd a stock MINI S and got 155 rear wheel hp. with just the CAI and 15% pulley they got 40 more hp.......at the wheels. don't worry; i've corrected them about the REAR wheel thing.

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Blue, thanks for the nice report! Sounds like you had a heck of a time out there. That one degree delta in camber at max out is a bit odd though. I never took mine to that extreme, but I did find the delineated marks to be quite accurate though, just by eye-balling it...

Hope a track day comes soon for you!

 

I spoke with Randy Webb today, and he said that a second production of these plates are awaiting a couple more orders. Since several weeks lead is typical, for those who want front camber adjustment with spring/summer track days approaching, well, placing an order now would be prudent...

 

Sounds like you had a greattime there. I might make one suggestion is that perhaps when you get your " street alignment " you could mark it so you can just re set it yourself at the end of the track event. I've done this on mine and it saves you driving home with your track set up as we ll as the cost of another visit to " the rack ".

 

These plates have scored delineations on them just for that purpose . However, as I understand it, tow is impacted by such moves, and that would still need to be addressed to get it right. Maybe I'm wrong, and I hope so, but I think tow will need to adjusted with various camber settings...

 

yep

 

I see someone is up past their bedtime . Thanks for the confirmation.

 

...here's the question; does more neg camber produce more toe out or toe in? If you can determine that relationship, you may be able to live with toe changes. If toe moves out a hair with repsect to more neg camber, that may be a good thing - for track events, not neccessarily for tire wear on the street.