Suspension Springs, struts, coilovers, sway-bars, camber plates, and all other modifications to suspension components for Clubman (R55), Cooper and Cooper S (R56), and Cabrio (R57) MINIs.

Suspension Quick Alignment ?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 22, 2012 | 04:46 PM
  #1  
jtack's Avatar
jtack
Thread Starter
|
4th Gear
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 459
Likes: 0
Quick Alignment ?

I have put on H&R springs, Hsport comp rear sway bar, and hsport lower control arms. I am taking it to the alignment shop and want to give him some specs to use. From my research I have found the following would be a good place to start on for daily driver and occasional track use:

Front -
*As much negative camber as I can get with removing the plastic pin
0 toe

Rear -
* -1.4 camber
* 1/16 toe in

My question about the toe in the rear, is this "total" toe in meaning both right and left, or is it 1/16 on each side?

Also, do these specs look good, for a compromise between handling and tire wear, or should I go a little less on the negative rear camber?

Thanks!
 
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2012 | 06:34 AM
  #2  
bluefox280's Avatar
bluefox280
6th Gear
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,120
Likes: 17
From: Broomfield, CO
Originally Posted by jtack
My question about the toe in the rear, is this "total" toe in meaning both right and left, or is it 1/16 on each side?
That should be "total", and NOT 1/16" on each side.
Keeping your toe in check will help reduce tire scrub wear, over the not-so-excessive camber setting.
You should be good with that starting reference; good luck!

- Erik
 
Reply
Old Nov 23, 2012 | 12:09 PM
  #3  
jtack's Avatar
jtack
Thread Starter
|
4th Gear
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 459
Likes: 0
thank you!
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2012 | 06:52 AM
  #4  
k_h_d's Avatar
k_h_d
6th Gear
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,781
Likes: 3
Whats the advantage of having a little toe-in on the rear instead of 0 toe like the front?
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2012 | 07:05 AM
  #5  
bluefox280's Avatar
bluefox280
6th Gear
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,120
Likes: 17
From: Broomfield, CO
On a street car, a tad toe-in on the rear helps avoid the back-end of the vehicle 'walking' or 'wandering'.
There's been archived threads noting that zero toe is ok, and keep the rear-end lively without being skittish, but some prefer the comfort of toe-in.

For reference:
* With rear toe-out, the outside radius wheel wants to add to the overall steering of the vehicle (which can cause oversteer).
* With rear toe-in, the outside radius wheel is resisting rotation (which can cause understeer).

- Erik
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2012 | 09:36 AM
  #6  
k_h_d's Avatar
k_h_d
6th Gear
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,781
Likes: 3
So would Slight rear toe-in create more understeer (not wanted for me)? Or would it be the same and keep the stability under hard braking better?
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2012 | 08:17 PM
  #7  
bluefox280's Avatar
bluefox280
6th Gear
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,120
Likes: 17
From: Broomfield, CO
Originally Posted by k_h_d
So would Slight rear toe-in create more understeer (not wanted for me)?
How much are you planning on?

Originally Posted by k_h_d
Or would it be the same and keep the stability under hard braking better?
During hard braking the front suspension compresses shifting weight balance to the front, which unloads the rear causing the opposite of bump steer typically producing more toe-in.

- Erik
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2012 | 10:09 PM
  #8  
slinger688's Avatar
slinger688
6th Gear
iTrader: (2)
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 4,329
Likes: 12
I personally would put in camber plates up front and run -1.8 to -2.2 or so front camber. Then junk the big sway bar in the back for something smaller. Then you have better turn in, and a more neutral car in the apex. I would run zero rear total toe since you do take the car to the track. The rear -1.6 is a good starting point. Use chaulk, pyrometer and psi to determine what potential changes you want to make in the alignment.

In my opinion, this is a decent starting track setup that can be used on the street. If you run a street setup for the track, it would not be as acceptable there.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
MrBlah
SCCA Solo and ProSolo
7
Feb 1, 2020 07:43 PM
Keet
Suspension
10
Aug 30, 2016 03:46 PM
wildwestrider
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
11
Jan 29, 2016 05:06 PM
gnhovis
MINI Parts for Sale
1
Dec 14, 2015 05:31 PM
daviday
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
1
Sep 25, 2015 01:31 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:12 AM.