I see that there is a sticky for springs but, not one for coilovers. Could one be started?

 

+1

 

Eibach Multi Pro II

 

Are these good for the track as well w/o being over harsh for the road?

 

i was really impressed with a set i had in the shop for an evo x....very good damping curves for street and track.

- andrew

 

Rides better than standard suspension and a 100% copy of motons.

might put some swift springs 450lbs ft 600 rear for track use

 

I would just like to see all the options available so that I can make an educated dissicion

 

do you have details on this?

i've only seen a dyno and it looked very DA koni-ish (in a very good way).

i do not know what the insides look like though.

sorry to take this farther off topic.....you can PM me if you like.

- drew

 

i have custom coilovers TCKlein, Koni threaded shocks over ground control springs 450 lb/in front and 350 lb/ft rear, full adjustable, both rebound and compression independently adjustable, drop anywhere you want typical is 1.2 inches but can drop much lower or higher without effecting spring load...

 

Eibach engineering informed me that moton monotube coilovers were used as a template and benchmark for the multipro line of monotube coilovers.

The lower cost Eibach proline ss twintube coilover is manufactured by KW and is a v1 with Eibach springs.

 

For a street car that may see the track a handful of days a year I would look at a Eibach pro coilover , the damper is built by KW in germany on the same line as the KW V1 but with Eibach springs(better springs than what kw uses) matched to the damp and rebound of shock and as a bonus you can get the eibach pro for under 1000 with free shipping from autoanything.com

The $200 you save with the eibachs vs the kw can go towards some hotchkiss or nm engineering control arms.

 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...f&aql=&aqi=&oq=

Cheers,

Charlie

Google Search: coilover site:northamericanmotoring.com

 

I am very happy with my Megans (thanks Justin!), pillow ball upper mount in rear, adjustable camber in front, adjustable damping to more levels that I know what to do with. I cranked her down almost two inches and with just me in the car, or with one other person, no issues and I would say it rides better. Not until I have 2 or three full grown teen passangers does it get rough. Fortunately, this rarely happens, and they don't seem to mind, especially if you hit the corners fast enough get them 'rolling' around.

 

Choice of Coilovers does depend on what you want to do with the car. If it is specific for the street, then anything is OK including Megans and Eibach street pros.

I am more concerned about how these will hold up with 25-30 days on the track a year. I think in my situation, perhaps KW V2,V3, Cross or Eibach Multi-pro1 or 2 might fit better without going to custom which is expensive.

Any opinions?

 

I would take Cross off the list for track suspension systems (total junk ) and add AST(under rated and under priced like the eibach muti pro 2 )

KW is a twintube(overheats quicker has more friction than monotube) that would be good for a lap or two of the ring or time attack.

A great 50/50 coilover would be the pss10 bilstein(inverted monotube)

 

First time I've ever heard anyone say Cross = total junk... . Their MINI applications are outstanding.

If PSS10's are anything like PSS9's....now you're talking about some junk.

 

Has anyone running cross coilovers won any major event ?

 

+1 for JIC/Cross not being very good, although I've never ridden on them in a Mini. One of the worst coilovers I've ever been on for other cars though, and i've also seen them split in half. Really poor valving and spring quality. I would rather stock for most cars, and many of the "crap" sub $1k coilovers which i also don't really like are much better in my opinion.

Tein isn't very good. BC is about the same, just cheaper. Not the worst thing in the world, just not something I would go for. Different strokes maybe. Megan is a small step behind. Probably faster than stock, but they're not for me.

K Sport and D2 are my 2 worst. Seriously horrible. I've removed a couple sets of these before in exchange for Bilstein shocks and good springs at my shop before to the delight of their owners. Horrible valving, if you can call it that. And terrible build quality.

KW's Variant series are solid....not amazingly fantastic, but pretty darn good. They do well for track education events. Their clubsport and competition series is another step up.

PSS9's have been very good for just about every application i've sampled. Not super hardcore, but good. I don't like them with progressive springs though. Still haven't touched PSS10's but I will eventually when they come out for 08+ Subaru Impreza.

The new Eibach coilovers mentioned before were impressive especially at their price point.

Koni valving is generally a bit above average.

AST is quite good. Ohlins as well.

JRZ is at the top of my list, a little ahead of Moton. But with either of those you pay quite a bit and they aren't really street shocks. If I was building a time attack car, I would get JRZ's and yell downstairs for Bryan of JRZ USA to help me set them up.

Yes i have experience first hand with a lot of coilovers. Some of them suck. Some are pretty good. I generally like european shocks and they in turn generally win a variety of championships. It's crucial to have any shock set up well and really think about what they're going to be used for.

- Andrew

 

I spoke with a man from THMotorsports, he informed me that the Eibach Multi-Pro coilovers have shocks that are Koni race units. I don't know if this is true, but this was his email:

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1) What are the standard spring rates? - I have called eibach all day for this info, with nothing. I am assuming in the higher range since its a competitive system.
2) If I specify different spring rates, how much extra will it cost? - they are set, you cannot change them. Now, you can purchase extra sets of eibach race springs at different rates.
3) If I specify different spring rates, do they revalve the shocks to suit? - since you cannot change rates, they do not rebuild them. These are Koni race shocks btw (2 way)
4) Do they come with helper springs, remote reservoirs, and independent bump and rebound damper adjustments? = they come with helper springs, and yes independent adjustment (hence 2 way) aka remote reservoirs.
5) Do they come with specific instructions, including where to mount the remote reservoirs? - They come with full instructions
6) Where are the adjustment ***** for the rebound damping? - There is a clicker at the bottom for low speed rebound, and a clicker at the top for highspeed compression/rebound.

I'll be buying these coilovers as soon as I can get the money

BTW, this thread is a fantastic idea.

 

I put swift springs on mine

 

Nice. I've got a good eye then.

We had a set in for a customer's EVO X. They looked very good.

The spring rates were NOT what we were told they would be, which was frustrating, but they were decent. Not that stiff. Not sure how that translates to the Mini version though. Eibach is difficult to get ahold of and these are new so not everyone there has the real scoop on them.

I wonder if Koni could revalve them if needed.

- Andrew

 

I thought you were getting ASTs? Did you go for the 450lbs/in and 600lbs/in fr/rr? If so, how are they? I love swift springs, they are just awesome, will probably get them as well.

That's a little disconcerting. What were the real rates vs the promised rates? Were they different side to side, front to rear?

 

To be honest the delivered rates were a little better than the rates we were expecting, it's just the principle of it all.

They were slightly firmer in the rear than what we expected.

Spring rates are easily fixed, and the valving showed a pretty big range so unless you're going crazy on the rates, I wouldn't expect to need a revalve to match.

Swifts are great.

- Andrew

 

Interesting. I might go get them tested when I actually buy them, so if they're too soft I won't install them, and buy swifts instead.

I'm looking at going 8kg/mm fr, 6.5-7kg/mm rr. I'm thinking that I won't need a revalve.

 

I remembered a little more....the rear springs looked progressive on our EVO X versions which was the bummer. We couldn't tell exactly the rate from the markings on the springs, but our guess was that the final rate to the progression was firmer than we expected. But still, we don't like progressive springs.

8k/7k would work well.

Definitely post up if you get them.

- Andrew