Have 2 cars, one with sport suspension, one without. If I swap the suspensions, will Mini know or care when it's lease end time?

 

I'm sure they'd care

Can't cosign this one. No matter how you dice and slice it, taking something that does not belong to you is stealing. period.

 

and of course they'd never figure it out if you post it on the internet!

 

no they wont know...just do it....

 

whether they "know it" or not is not the point

ITS STEALING

 

If you have to ask, then obviously you know its fishy... so why do it? There again you could do it, have them figure it out.. then pay some outlandish amount for the parts.. but the choice is strictly yours

 

its not really stealing, its replacing with a different part ....its just a trade ....ive done similar things with rentals....they dont know squat...

stealing...haha....hahahahahaha.....

 

the customer is always right....

mini: did you replace this suspension?
your response: how do you replace a suspension? im just returning the car, is there something wrong?

when in doubt, deny and act dumb, they cant accuse you of crap.

 

If you don't see anything wrong with this, why don't you call them and ask them?

 

Man I just got a dose of hope for the direction of the ethics of the human race, thanks

Karma baby, Karma

 

lolllll sorry your post cracks me up
no offense or anything

let me ask you this....if your suspension had a problem on a lease you're going to return (caused by you), would you....

A. be completely upfront with the dealership and tell them right off the bat, my suspension is having a problem and my aftermarket parts are teh reason why
B. give the car back and wait for them to run a check, and if they dont find anything wrong, tell them oh you must not have noticed that i messed up my suspension
C. give the car back hoping they wont notice anything, and if it passes without them noticing, throw up a prayer and give thanks.

 

Thats not the issue here. What the OP is asking is is it OK to take parts off a car and turn it in on a lease. I think it's stealing

Yours is a different scenario. Can't see how aftermarket components are going to mess up the suspension but I'd own it. My fault, my responsibility. I'd be tempted to follow B or C but I just don't want to have that feeling where I know I've lied or cheated. Not worth it. I've done it earlier in my life and regretted every instance

 

Well they won't likely know, but they will care if they find out.

I'd be more concerned that you're basically ripping off the future owner of the car who's paying more for an option which they don't have.

 

look i know its stealing...but seriously....its not that big a deal, think of it as a going away present from the dealer for f'ing you on your lease deal...look the point is that, you can sit around and be a pushover you're whole life while you "do the right thing", or you can take matters into your own hands....im not saying rob a bank, but sometimes, you have to do things like this to remind you that you can beat the system....in this case, i would say, your going to f the dealer, well the dealer f'ed you, so return the favor, there is no imminent harm or danger, you're fine....you probably disagree.

 

I do and I guess thats where we should leave it.

It's a slippery slope deciding where to draw the line of where stealing starts and acceptable behavior begins.

I like to think my approach is pretty cut and dried, and it is, for me

At the same time it drives me nuts when people foist their morals on me so I will not go any further cause I'm heading straight on towards self-righteousness.

I feel you have heard me, we disagree but thats OK.

I do ask that you put some thought to the line you draw. Whether you 'stick it to the man' or not you gotta look in the mirror. For me when I do that I don't like what I see

 

its all good, i wasnt trying to push morals or anything, morally you are right 100%, im just saying its okay to be immoral sometimes...

but we'll leave it alone like you said, have a good day.

 

You might be able to turn it in and pass the lease end inspection, but don't be surprised to get a costly bill later for parts and labor to restore the original suspension. That could happen easily if they make it a CPO (which requires a detailed inspection to certify the car).

In any case it's not ethical.

 

Wow! I can't believe that whether doing this is ethically "ok" or not is even up for debate! & How can this be morally wrong for one person but right for another? C'mon! This is stealing, plain and stinking simple!

& It doesn't matter if the dealer stuck it to the op (which he never states), as the old saying goes, "2 wrongs don't make a right."

It's never right to do something wrong or immoral. You hurt yourself, the one who you wrong and add to the numbers of numbskulls who make this world a more difficult place to enjoy.

Props to you, tgs91 & c'mon fronjoni, take a higher road. You'll like the ride a whole lot better.

 

will YOU be able to tell the difference between a car with sports suspension vs one without?

is it even worth taking?

 

If I'm reading you correctly, whether I can tell the difference or not is irrelevant. It's still stealing.

 

How much does a sport suspension cost? I'm trying to figure out if it would be a misdemeanor or a felony. The dollar cost may actually be the least of your worries. To take a different tack, what if you were the one who later bought it as a used car thinking it had a sport suspension?

 

whether or not it's stealing, I agree in thinking that the benefits don't outweigh the risks. The OEM sport suspension isn't brilliant. Don't waste your time.

 

no they won't notice and either will you...don't waste your time

 

Morals of some people.

 

Just out of curiousity what are the differences anyway b/w the sport and non-sport suspensions?