Two things wrong with this:
1) Are you really going to trade expensive aftermarket parts for cheep factory parts? If so, your nuts. I know several Autocrossers that leased cars, made major aftermarket mods to them, and when the lease was up the put the factory parts back on and gave the car back.

2) if your aftermarket parts are causing a problem maybe you shouldn't mod your car, you're not very good at it, Or else, put the factory parts back on and FIX THE PROBLEM.

To the OP, read the lease agreement on replacement parts, after all, parts do wear out or can be damaged and need replacement, the requirements for replacement parts should be pretty clearly stated.

 

You missed the point buddy

 

The point is that he will be screwing over the next person (as someone stated earlier) who buys the MINI they will be paying for an option they will not have.. and what did they ever do to deserve that?
selfish.

 

I might assume you are quite young?
Really, to be hungry and swipe a candy bar to survive is one thing, but to be so premeditated and even come on a public forum and discuses how you will be steeling from this dealer is unbelievable to say the least. Is a scary thing to see that there are some with so little moral standards. You are obviously one of those that always feels you are owed something. How many post here tell you that you are doing wrong, yet you still somehow feel entitled to steal.

Really, shame on you. It's this kind of mentality that raises all of our insurance rates to say the least. In the end, we ALL pay for your silly crime you know.

 

and totally devoid of any reasonable sense of common decency.

 

I love how extreme these comments are. Onasled, I might assume you're quite old. Racetripper, don't be so extreme and prepared to write people off because of their opinionon a particular issue. Totally devoid? Relax.

 

fronjoni,

Naturally and understandably you are responding defensively cause a bunch of folks are jumping you including yours trully.

I would encourage you to look at the message not the slap.

There is no fine line, either you are a thief or you are not. Being Immoral some of the time don't cut it. There are many out there who will cut the corner and rationalize that stealing is Ok in certain circumstances. It makes it really simple when you cut it down to the essence, either you is or is not.

I do respect the fact that your putting it out there. There are many on NAM that probably feel as you do and are lurking.

 

This isn't about opinion. Your attitude is devoid of sensible ethics. I agree with prev. post that you really must be pretty young. Your attitude towards deception and theft shows a real lack of maturity. It's not about relaxing, because this kind of behavior hurts those of us who are honest, due to increases that get passed on to us in the form of higher prices on goods and increased insurance costs -- we pay for your dishonesty.

 

first of all, i dont mind that all of you are jumping on me, i expected that before i posted. what does bother me is the conclusions that you guys draw so quickly and apply across the board, it seems as though you can write a book about me wihtout knowing anything. im not gonna give all the situations in which lying is okay, because there are some where it is, and lying once does not make somebody an avid liar. you said i am totally devoid of blah blha blah....making a huge generalization because i think in this case it would be fine to swap things out. i still think that even with the info that you guys have said about insurance and all these other things. and to assume im young? what does that say? that says that you are old, or have a reached a point where you think you have swallowed enough info about the world to point fingers at anyone younger than you.

hi i am 23, bachelors in business admin, work 60+ hours a week managing over 30 people, i pay rent, health insurance, car insurance, property tax, water and power bill, and all other taxes. i play the guitar and like playing ball. no i am not a thief, no i am not immoral, yes we disagree, and yes its wrong for someone to draw extensive conclusions. should i go around assuming that you guys are all 40+ with 2+ kids, unhappily married, trying to make the world a better place by preaching morality to make your miserable lives seem less meaningless? no, and i dont.

 

OK, we're correct that you are young.

Thinking that perpetuating a lie to a dealer to cheat him and steal equipment -- even once, shows a lack of maturity and sense of ethics. I think most people will agree about that.

Working 60 hours and managing 30 people doesn't really mean anything. For all we know, you could be really bad it. You might be the pointy-haired boss.

 

i know you guys are morally right, but im going to stick with my theory on this particular instance for other reasons. by pointing out what i do was just to say ive worked for what i have and where i am, age isnt always the only factor, its just a card that i hate when it gets played, its like your automatically disqualified. my hairs not pointy either, i have curly hair.

 

I'd still like an answer to the question of what you would say to the guy who might buy the car later thinking he got the sport suspension but didn't. Just call him a sucker? What's your answer?

 

I wouldnt call him anything
its the dealerships responsibility to catch those things and fix them, if they dont, then im sure the buyer will take it up with the dealership and have the problem resolved. and if he doesnt, then the placebo effect is really all you feel with the sport suspension. it would actually be a pretty good scientific test.

 

Let's turn this around. Say it was you who made a deal on this off-lease MINI and you thought for sure that you got everything just as it were on the sticker. You then discover that the suspension bits have been swapped out with base parts. I'm sure you'd high-tail it back to the dealer and demand an explanation as well as either compensation or having the proper bits put in. The dealer tells you that the previous lessee did an unauthorised modification to the car. You'd want to have him brought into the fray as well in order to get your car up to spec, wouldnt you?

In this case, you are not screwing over some 'faceless corporation', but another buyer, just like you. And if you accidentally messed up while doing the swap, and something goes wrong while the car is being driven and causes an accident, subsequent investigations just might turn up the reason. Would you want that to come back and haunt you?

 

Wow. That brings new meaning to the word "skeevy".

I mean... eww. In what world is stealing OK just because you don't get caught?

 

I don't think anyone is questioning that you have worked for what you have and your right age is not the only factor. I've met many men in your age range who would not consider doing this for all the reasons I and the others who have chimed in here have stated.

I didn't like being called on it when I was where you are at in life (yes I'm over 40 but no kids and I think life is pretty cool still) But ya know in retrospect I shoulda listened to em' cause it would have caused me allot less pain (hint hint)

Thing is that all of us have that fit your 'over 40' demographic have faced many of the same issues you do, namely this one.

Why reinvent the wheel? Consequences are the same now for stealing as they were for me, my grandfather and my grandfather's grandfather who tried to return a horse without the original horse shoes he contractually agreed to do.

If you say you are going to do something , you do it

 

dont be so naive.

 

look we can sit here and create scenarious all day long. you can always have a counter for that. and like i said. it is the dealers responsibility once he signs the papers and says we take the car back from you, he cant go pointing his finger at you. thats not how management works. stop trying to trip me up with scenarios, as ive said alreayd, morally you guys are right what more do you want me to say, do you guys have to convince everyone thats its always good to do the right thing?

 

Accomplice theory could potentially be used against fronjoni if the OP takes this action and this action is charged as a felony (typically theft by taking in excess of $500, so since suspension is a $500 option, it may only be a misdemeanor) given that fronjoni has both encouraged and aided the OP by way of his counsel.

 

well yanno.. this horse is almost dead is it not? Most of us here agree what your suggesting is wrong.. By your own words your an adult.. do what you must...i don't understand the im gonna screw the dealership because they screwed me on a lease... you signed for it didnt ya? anyway... and btw... i have a doctorate in life.. as most of us here who are telling you this is wrong... like i said earlier.. if you had to ask on a public forum if this is the correct thing to do.. you already knew the answer.. you just wanted to start a heated discussion... people like you deserve to drive a kia

 

, with a Yugo suspension.

 

It's not a scenario.. someone really is going to buy that MINI. Why put all the blame on the dealer when they did nothing w-r-o-n-g? Are they supposed to assume That every one of their customers are dishonest thieves??

 

I think our work here is done.

 

Indeed.

 

Sadly, I think not, but seemingly futile to try further. People who "just don't get it" are why we're suffering through the Bernie Madoffs of the world.