Well meanwhile, I think we should all not expect NAM to prevent this from ocurring, and take it upon ourselves to educate the consumers here. If NAM decides to take action at some point, then that's their call. Heck, we could pool together funds and take out vendor space on NAM and call it the "MINI owners Against Unethical Vendors." :D

 

So anyone that buy's from PU. is gullible? And I belive that "Let's not turn this into a thread of how Mark going to determine what other vendors are doing" is excatly what you and others did here :impatient.

 

there's time to get the posts from the 2500 individual IP address moderated, but no time to do the same for the tiny fraction of that number of vendor postings? That's laughable on it's face. Look, vendors already have rules about not posting in other vendors threads, so the idea that there are no rules for vendors isn't really true, we're just talking about where to draw the line. Afterall, a line has been drawn, and it's biased to the side of the vendor. What's so wrong with asking that the friggin vendors adhere to some basic tenants like no out and out lies in the marketing copy? You know why this site makes money for the founders? It's because all the user provided content creates a good pool of knowledge for us to all learn from, and it concentrates the credit card numbers so that the vendors have a reason to pay to be present. I, for one, don't want to be a sheep here just to be shorn. I really feel that we're owed a bit more than that.

Matt

 

That I can agree with. If there isn't already, and it certainly doesn't sound like there is, a regulation against lies and outrageous marketing BS should be a rule here. That way, we don't need to point fingers at any particular vendors, and it gives ground to stand on for NAM to crack the whip on anyone that happens to break the rule.

 

Too long didn't read... but since dr. O is posting in this thread...

I'll just say I agree with what ever he is saying... so yeah...

 

Thanks for the laugh!!!

Matt

 

I never knew why PU was always at the but of any joke on here like I mean anything. fake ex: "Hey bob you see that pic of that tree falling. Ya i bet he had Palo Uber roots. OMFG ROLFMAO Bob your teh funny." I couldnt figure it out mabye cause they used Uber in the name lol. But now i see from these threads i missed. Also I never see them defend anything thats what gets me.

 

Just like M7 won't get involved in threads bashing their coil-overs, PU won't jump in because of all the vultures on this forum that are waiting to jump their bones, especially those politicially correct members that probably have 5000 word post all ready to go. They know they're getting away with it, so why bother with all the effort?

If they did it would be a internet war of epic proportions that I would be quite happy to watch and fuel the fire, while getting banned in the process.

 

The NAM discount is an issue. As I said awhile back, labeling it as a NAM discount on the PU product list on the PU site itself adds a form of NAM site sanction to their products.

The fact that PU doesn't simply say they offer discounts of a certain dollar amount or % for mentioning NAM or simply make the offer in a vendor announcement on NAM (all of which they could easily do instead of using this other form of advertising their discount), but rather litters its own site with specific, lower priced products that bear the NAM label is an outright attempt to leech an implied NAM endorsement.

Is NAM getting paid extra for this label used on the PU site? I sure hope Mark isn’t allowing them to use his name on their site for FREE!

So let’s give the benefit of the doubt (that Mark isn’t being paid extra to allow PU to label certain products on the PU site as NAM discount packages), then shouldn't Mark at least be concerned about this appearance of an implied endorsement? NAM is Mark's site, so he could certainly tell PU, “Thank you very much for your advertising dollars, but you cannot label your packages using my name; offer a discount sure, but don't advertise it on your own PU vendor site using my name.” Doesn’t the fact that these NAM packages exist on the PU site raise questions in anyone’s mind?

 

cause it doesn't cost anything to join NAM, so just if you want something, sign up and get the discount! It's a serious flag that they have the margin to give without sweating thier profits....

Usually, club discounts aren't mentioned on the vendor sites, or ALL thier customers will become club members!

Matt

 

Agreed; it is a serious flag, especially with so many "NAM kits" on their site. How many are there by now? It seems like a huge percentage of their product line is in some NAM kit or another.

PU really gouges whoever is paying the full freight and they still laugh all the way to the bank even with the NAM discounts. PU will even discount an item further than the NAM price as a form of compensation for something they sent you that you're unhappy about (I've been there), or just to win favor (go ask the 2.5 fans they have here how many discounts or free stuff they got; I'd bet it would surprise even the most jaded onlookers). And don't tell me they're still not making mark-up on even those occasions when they will discount below the NAM price. At least I got one decent part that way (the CF hood scoop, although I would have been just as happy with the M7 one and avoided all the PU BS I went through); overall I wish I'd never done business with PU, other than for the fact they cannot claim that I criticize them without ever having bought something from them, which is their frequent alibi they make about many (maybe even most) of their critics on here. Their totally blameless attitude in the face of their critics though is the epitome of gall.

 

They choose to respond to personal issues in the vendor forum for some reason, and not replying to the specific customer in question.

 

I've always interpreted the "NAM KIT" to be a discount offered to people that are members of NAM and not something that is endorsed by NAM. That said I have emailed them and asked that they rename these to not use NAM or North American Motoring in their naming of their specials.


Mark

 

Now time to make the second, third and fourth!

Matt

 

 

BRAVO!

 

You're just lucky Jackie Chiles is NOT my lawyer or he'd slice and dice this one to shreds, "I've always interpreted the "NAM KIT" to be a discount offered to people that are members of NAM and not something that is endorsed by NAM." I might even end up owning PU and turn it into a decent company.

http://www.stanthecaddy.com/sounds-j...oundbites.html

Seriously though, thanks for considering the POV expressed and taking appropriate action. The use of "NAM KIT" can easily be interpreted the way I laid out and I think you see it now or would not have taken this step. Again, thanks for being responsive. I'd also like to think it as only a 1st step in the right direction, but at least you did take this leap forward, so I'll get off the soap box (at least till tomorrow ).

 

Not from me...........I have only posted about the PU

 

I found a good cold air intake that Palo Uber might like:

 

Thanks for being the cause of a water-sprayed computer screen.

- Matt

 

i was seriously thinking how does that work? lol
totally stupid of me, maybe i can get a creative position at PU

 

^ Is that strut bar made of recycled aluminum cans? It looks very sturdy.

 

And I love the color coordinated zip ties !

 

Wow... I bet that intercooler really does wonders for the intake path of that n/a car...

Who wants to bet that car is slower than it was before that intake was put on? :laugh:

 

Yeah, between the head loss across the "intercooler" and all the additional tubing he probably gained -10Hp.