Stock Problems/Issues Discussions related to warranty related issues and repairs, or other problems with the OEM parts and software for MINI Cooper (R50), Cabrio (R52), and Cooper S (R53) MINIs.

Brake Job Question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 24, 2006 | 09:09 PM
  #1  
AlpinaM3's Avatar
AlpinaM3
Thread Starter
|
1st Gear
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
Brake Job Question

Just replaced the front brake pads and rotors on my MCS. When I was going to the rear I checked to see if the caliper piston would slide back into the caliper body by checking it with a long screwdriver and it would not slide back.

I assume that this means that this means that the piston screws out from the body so it has to be screwed back in. Is there a special tool for this or can I make something? I have encountered this before and made a tool but before I take it apart I wanted to get some guidence.
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2006 | 10:26 PM
  #2  
caminifan's Avatar
caminifan
6th Gear
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 4
A rear caliper retractor tool is made for the MINI's rear calipers. Here is one vendors offering:

http://new.minimania.com/web/Item/NM.../InvDetail.cfm

Be sure to release pressure in the brake lines by loosening the bleed screw. Or you will have a bunch of brake fluid spilling out of the brake fluid reservoir in the engine compartment (along with all of the headaches that go along with spilled brake fluid). And it would be a good idea to bleed the system anyway after everything is finished.
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2006 | 10:54 PM
  #3  
Rawhyde's Avatar
Rawhyde
5th Gear
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 931
Likes: 14
From: NW Georgia, USA
Originally Posted by caminifan
A rear caliper retractor tool is made for the MINI's rear calipers. Here is one vendors offering:

http://new.minimania.com/web/Item/NM.../InvDetail.cfm

Be sure to release pressure in the brake lines by loosening the bleed screw. Or you will have a bunch of brake fluid spilling out of the brake fluid reservoir in the engine compartment (along with all of the headaches that go along with spilled brake fluid). And it would be a good idea to bleed the system anyway after everything is finished.

Harbor Freight has a tool for $20 that looks and works exactly like the OEM MINI tool.

Rawhyde
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2006 | 11:03 PM
  #4  
COR BLMY's Avatar
COR BLMY
6th Gear
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 2,349
Likes: 2
From: Concord, California
ANY device that will allow you to turn and push will work.
I have done a couple with long nose plyers, a Makita grinder wrench, and a C clamp with a welded contact base.
Once it bites your good to go.
 
Reply
Old Nov 24, 2006 | 11:27 PM
  #5  
caminifan's Avatar
caminifan
6th Gear
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by Rawhyde
Harbor Freight has a tool for $20 that looks and works exactly like the OEM MINI tool. [Emphasis added.]

Rawhyde
Well, I was trying to boost vendors that support the forum....
 
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2006 | 04:24 PM
  #6  
IanF's Avatar
IanF
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,231
Likes: 1
From: PA/NJ
Originally Posted by caminifan
Well, I was trying to boost vendors that support the forum....
yeah... but TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS???

Helix (also a supporting vendor... ) sells the same tool for a bit less... although not much...

I haven't tried the H-F version, but the cheapo Pep Boys version I have doesn't have the pins close enough.
 
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2006 | 08:37 PM
  #7  
k-huevo's Avatar
k-huevo
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,629
Likes: 7
From: Pipe Creek, Texas
I use this tool which is a combination of parts sold by http://www.samstagsales.com/ .


Three years ago I couldn’t get the MINI tool and the work around was a hassle and that part set was the only option available. The right tool will make the job so much easier and you are more than likely to do the job more than a few times in the life of your MINI. I just used it while troubleshooting an e-brake issue.
 
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2006 | 08:47 PM
  #8  
ScottinBend's Avatar
ScottinBend
6th Gear
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,589
Likes: 2
From: Oregon, USA
The H F one works just fine. Many of our club members have that kit.
 
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2006 | 08:59 PM
  #9  
UKSUV's Avatar
UKSUV
6th Gear
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,673
Likes: 2
From: Marsala, Sicily
I have used the HF version of mine several times. It comes with 6 adapter plates but you don't need those since the pins on the tool fit perfectly. Plus, it's $20! Also, all euro rear calipers need to be turned while pushed in (I should know). If you indeed have a M3...you should already know this. But anyways, you do not need to bleed the brakes when changing pads or rotors. You don't induce any air into the lines since you don't open anything up. You simulate normal caliper function. I don't know why people say to do this. Good luck.
 
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2006 | 09:27 PM
  #10  
caminifan's Avatar
caminifan
6th Gear
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by UKSUV
I have used the HF version of mine several times. It comes with 6 adapter plates but you don't need those since the pins on the tool fit perfectly. Plus, it's $20! Also, all euro rear calipers need to be turned while pushed in (I should know). If you indeed have a M3...you should already know this. But anyways, you do not need to bleed the brakes when changing pads or rotors. You don't induce any air into the lines since you don't open anything up. You simulate normal caliper function. I don't know why people say to do this. [Emphasis added.] Good luck.
The reason I suggested bleeding the brakes after adjusting the caliper is to remove any corrosion/contamination from the caliper that may have been back-filled during the compression process. If you don't want to be bothered with that additional precaution, don't do it.
 
Reply
Old Nov 26, 2006 | 11:06 PM
  #11  
UKSUV's Avatar
UKSUV
6th Gear
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,673
Likes: 2
From: Marsala, Sicily
Originally Posted by caminifan
The reason I suggested bleeding the brakes after adjusting the caliper is to remove any corrosion/contamination from the caliper that may have been back-filled during the compression process. If you don't want to be bothered with that additional precaution, don't do it.
But, your simulating NORMAL day-to-day caliper function. Slight corrosion/contamination is already present thoughout the entire system due to fluid reaction and longevity breakdown. If you have a lot...you must have a leak. Anyways, this wasn't a comment towards you...it was a generalized comment. People say to bleed the system like it is MANDATORY not PRECAUTION when doing a rotor/pad change. I just wanted to let the original poster know this so he doesn't have to spend the extra money on material if he didn't have to. BTW, I have to bleed my brakes in a couple of days cause I'm installing my ST BBK....
 
Reply
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 10:19 AM
  #12  
caminifan's Avatar
caminifan
6th Gear
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 4
Not meaning to be pedantic...

Originally Posted by UKSUV
But, your simulating NORMAL day-to-day caliper function. Slight corrosion/contamination is already present thoughout the entire system due to fluid reaction and longevity breakdown. If you have a lot...you must have a leak. Anyways, this wasn't a comment towards you...it was a generalized comment. People say to bleed the system like it is MANDATORY not PRECAUTION when doing a rotor/pad change. I just wanted to let the original poster know this so he doesn't have to spend the extra money on material if he didn't have to. BTW, I have to bleed my brakes in a couple of days cause I'm installing my ST BBK....
Usually, the day-to-day application of the brakes involves millimetric (or, more like a fraction of a millimeter per application) movement of the piston in the caliper. Pushing the piston back in the caliper to be able to fit new pads runs the risk of dislodging corrosion and general crap into the caliper body. I was recommending a bleed (and not a full flush; just a short bleed) to get rid of any stuff that might have gotten dislodged during the effort to push the piston back into the caliper. I may be obsessing, but where brakes are concerned, my philosophy is better safe than sorry.
 
Reply
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 10:35 AM
  #13  
UKSUV's Avatar
UKSUV
6th Gear
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 3,673
Likes: 2
From: Marsala, Sicily
Originally Posted by caminifan
Usually, the day-to-day application of the brakes involves millimetric (or, more like a fraction of a millimeter per application) movement of the piston in the caliper. Pushing the piston back in the caliper to be able to fit new pads runs the risk of dislodging corrosion and general crap into the caliper body. I was recommending a bleed (and not a full flush; just a short bleed) to get rid of any stuff that might have gotten dislodged during the effort to push the piston back into the caliper. I may be obsessing, but where brakes are concerned, my philosophy is better safe than sorry.
Agreed....
 
Reply
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 04:39 PM
  #14  
Rawhyde's Avatar
Rawhyde
5th Gear
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 931
Likes: 14
From: NW Georgia, USA
Yeah, bleeding the brakes to get rust particles and old fluid out is a good idea when doing a brake job. I don't think it's manditory, but it's a nice crowning touch....gilding the lilly.

Another example of using a little extra effort (to good effect) is putting a small dab of Anti-Seize on the lugs and the Torx bolt that holds the rotor on. These are nice steps to take on cars you plan to keep for a while.

Rawhyde
 
Reply
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 04:45 PM
  #15  
boognish's Avatar
boognish
4th Gear
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 382
Likes: 0
From: Central Jersey Shore
Hi. What is the name of the Harbor Freight tool for retracting the MINI rear calipers? Can someone please post a link to it? Thank you!

-boognish
 
Reply
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 05:21 PM
  #16  
BWROOFCHEX's Avatar
BWROOFCHEX
2nd Gear
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 110
Likes: 0
you know, a c-clamp and a pair of pump pliers will also work fine if you're in a pinch just be careful not to grab the boot and tear it (around the piston). adjust the c-clamp as the piston goes back into the caliper, also, a good idea is to open your bleeder when you do this as to not force dirt and debris back into the abs unit. So, crack the bleeder, squeeze in the calipers, install your pads and rotors, and bleed the brake system upon completion.
 
Reply
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 05:36 PM
  #17  
tsukiji's Avatar
tsukiji
4th Gear
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 552
Likes: 0
From: Wisconsin
Originally Posted by boognish
Hi. What is the name of the Harbor Freight tool for retracting the MINI rear calipers? Can someone please post a link to it? Thank you!

-boognish
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=40732
 
Reply
Old Nov 27, 2006 | 09:38 PM
  #18  
caminifan's Avatar
caminifan
6th Gear
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,072
Likes: 4
Originally Posted by Rawhyde
Yeah, bleeding the brakes to get rust particles and old fluid out is a good idea when doing a brake job. I don't think it's manditory, but it's a nice crowning touch....gilding the lilly.

Another example of using a little extra effort (to good effect) is putting a small dab of Anti-Seize on the lugs and the Torx bolt that holds the rotor on. [Emphasis added.] These are nice steps to take on cars you plan to keep for a while.

Rawhyde
In particular, the Torx bolt that holds the rotor on.... You will thank yourself for doing that little step the next time you have to remove the rotor - the bolt will come right off. No cussing, drilling or other time wasters that will need to be done to get the rotor off....
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
sevin
1st Gear
126
May 2, 2026 06:11 AM
W0TM8
General MINI Talk
23
Dec 19, 2019 07:50 AM
thebordella
R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+)
22
Aug 31, 2015 01:37 PM
ShadyCoop
R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+)
14
Aug 24, 2015 06:05 AM
nomar116
R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+)
6
Aug 10, 2015 11:24 PM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:25 AM.