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09-25-2006, 04:26 PM
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Also on page 29 of the same book:
Under This Warranty does not apply to the following:
This warranty shall be null and void if the vehicle identification number has been altered or can not be read, if the odometer has been replaced or altered and the true mileage cannot be determined, if the vehicle has been declared a total lossor sold for slvage purposes, or if the vehicle has been used in any competitive event.
Autocross is a competitive event, and even if MINI of Pittsburgh were to sponsor in whole or in part with PittStop MINI, the autocross, or track day at Beaver Run, you as a participant take sole responsibility for any mechanical failures that occur during the event.
Same thing holds true if you were to wreck your car during an autocross, your insurance company would most likely not cover the accident, as it is a timed competitive event.
An accident at Beaver Run is a little different as it could be viewed as "Driver Training", because of the instructors, which most insurance companies will cover.
Steve
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09-25-2006, 04:35 PM
I feel for you, however on page 2 of your "MINI Cooper & MINI Cooper S, Service & Warranty Information 2005" book it states Exclusions for Coverage under the Full Maintenance -Vehicles used in competitive events.
Also on page 29 of the same book:
Under This Warranty does not apply to the following:
This warranty shall be null and void if the vehicle identification number has been altered or can not be read, if the odometer has been replaced or altered and the true mileage cannot be determined, if the vehicle has been declared a total lossor sold for slvage purposes, or if the vehicle has been used in any competitive event.
Autocross is a competitive event, and even if MINI of Pittsburgh were to sponsor in whole or in part with PittStop MINI, the autocross, or track day at Beaver Run, you as a participant take sole responsibility for any mechanical failures that occur during the event.
Same thing holds true if you were to wreck your car during an autocross, your insurance company would most likely not cover the accident, as it is a timed competitive event.
An accident at Beaver Run is a little different as it could be viewed as "Driver Training", because of the instructors, which most insurance companies will cover.
Steve
Also on page 29 of the same book:
Under This Warranty does not apply to the following:
This warranty shall be null and void if the vehicle identification number has been altered or can not be read, if the odometer has been replaced or altered and the true mileage cannot be determined, if the vehicle has been declared a total lossor sold for slvage purposes, or if the vehicle has been used in any competitive event.
Autocross is a competitive event, and even if MINI of Pittsburgh were to sponsor in whole or in part with PittStop MINI, the autocross, or track day at Beaver Run, you as a participant take sole responsibility for any mechanical failures that occur during the event.
Same thing holds true if you were to wreck your car during an autocross, your insurance company would most likely not cover the accident, as it is a timed competitive event.
An accident at Beaver Run is a little different as it could be viewed as "Driver Training", because of the instructors, which most insurance companies will cover.
Steve
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09-25-2006, 04:41 PM
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Regardless, I what I posted, I have found the MINI of Pittsburgh service department excellent to deal with. If there is any way for them to work within their guidlines to help you, I am sure they will.
But, MINI USA calls all the shots regarding warranty work, and if they won't cover it, the dealer will not eat the cost of the repair.
Steve
But, MINI USA calls all the shots regarding warranty work, and if they won't cover it, the dealer will not eat the cost of the repair.
Steve
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Autocross is a competitive event, and even if MINI of Pittsburgh were to sponsor in whole or in part with PittStop MINI, the autocross, or track day at Beaver Run, you as a participant take sole responsibility for any mechanical failures that occur during the event.
Steve
Personally, I don't feel that autox caused this issue. So perhaps this thread is useful to mini owners who suffer a similar breakdown in the future.
Plus, the dealer hasn't mentioned autox as the reason the tranny failed. They are still going by the over-reving thing. And I can't understand how that holds water. If they claimed it was autox related, at least that would make some sense.
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09-25-2006, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bmovierat
That's good info steve. Thank you. However, perhaps you or someone else in the mini club should make this caveat clear whenever you organize autox events.
, maybe not so much.
Originally Posted by bmovierat
Perhaps make all members/participants aware that MINI will void the warranty if you autox the car.
Steve
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I have yet to find any actual example of mini refusing to cover a repair that they claimed was autox related. Not that that's the case in this situation. I searched. I couldn't find anything. For one, it would seem rather disingenuous for mini to sponsor events and promote the car's abilities on one hand, while refusing to cover repairs on the other hand.
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09-25-2006, 05:15 PM
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I have yet to find any actual example of mini refusing to cover a repair that they claimed was autox related. Not that that's the case in this situation. I searched. I couldn't find anything. For one, it would seem rather disingenuous for mini to sponsor events and promote the car's abilities on one hand, while refusing to cover repairs on the other hand.
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09-25-2006, 05:33 PM
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Actually, Steve, I didn't mention MINI of Pittsburgh. I was referring to MINI corporate. They do sponsor several MINI drivers (just look up the SCCA nationals results later this week; I'm sure you will find more than a few drivers sponsored by mini usa). Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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09-25-2006, 05:41 PM
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Actually, Steve, I didn't mention MINI of Pittsburgh. I was referring to MINI corporate. They do sponsor several MINI drivers (just look up the SCCA nationals results later this week; I'm sure you will find more than a few drivers sponsored by mini usa). Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Steve
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09-25-2006, 06:07 PM
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I feel for you, however on page 2 of your "MINI Cooper & MINI Cooper S, Service & Warranty Information 2005" book it states Exclusions for Coverage under the Full Maintenance -Vehicles used in competitive events.
Also on page 29 of the same book:
Under This Warranty does not apply to the following:
This warranty shall be null and void if the vehicle identification number has been altered or can not be read, if the odometer has been replaced or altered and the true mileage cannot be determined, if the vehicle has been declared a total lossor sold for slvage purposes, or if the vehicle has been used in any competitive event.
Steve
Also on page 29 of the same book:
Under This Warranty does not apply to the following:
This warranty shall be null and void if the vehicle identification number has been altered or can not be read, if the odometer has been replaced or altered and the true mileage cannot be determined, if the vehicle has been declared a total lossor sold for slvage purposes, or if the vehicle has been used in any competitive event.
Steve
One of the pop rivets attaching the dealer-installed driving lamps on my wife's car came loose last week. Since I drove it in an autocross event last month, I guess the dealer could have denied the service, based on a strict interpretation on the warranty agreement.
Makes you wonder if such a blanket exclusion would really hold up, if push came to shove.
Scott
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09-25-2006, 06:16 PM
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It broke at the race, excuse me, the "timed competitive event", what about that gives any wiggle room for the dealer? I am a bad news protagonist because I say what ANYONE who has raced for any time knows. It breaks or wrecks, YOU fix it, no one else, no warranty, no insurance co. anywhere will cover it for you. I didn't have to read the warranty to know that but maybe some here should read these things. It's also in your finance and insurance contracts. I am not exporting anything to Mexico, if I drive as a tourist a financed car into Mexico it voids my insurance, rental or finance contracts and I am on the hook for the full value of the vehicle or the note. Racing/competitive events are the same, loophole for driver's schools, but some contracts may contain the language closed-course track, then you're done there as well.
My original question still holds, why would or should any car maker subsidize someone's racing hobby?
Try the Go-karts, did you know a go-kart used to hold the overall course record for the Daytona Road Racing Course?
My original question still holds, why would or should any car maker subsidize someone's racing hobby?
Try the Go-karts, did you know a go-kart used to hold the overall course record for the Daytona Road Racing Course?
#40
09-25-2006, 06:41 PM
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I think one of the issues is that sometimes our cars *do* legitimately have defective parts, and just because the car has been used competitively at some time in the past, that doesn't absolve the manufacturer of the responsibility to fix the part.
I've autocrossed my wife's car twice now, but if the climate control (for instance) stopped working tomorrow on my way to work, you bet your *** I'd pursue a warranty claim to get it fixed.
Maybe the OP's transmission was 100% perfect from the factory, and all of the damage came from autocrossing. But what if it was legitimately faulty, even before she began racing?
Scott
I've autocrossed my wife's car twice now, but if the climate control (for instance) stopped working tomorrow on my way to work, you bet your *** I'd pursue a warranty claim to get it fixed.
Maybe the OP's transmission was 100% perfect from the factory, and all of the damage came from autocrossing. But what if it was legitimately faulty, even before she began racing?
Scott
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09-25-2006, 06:47 PM
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09-25-2006, 07:14 PM
howdy their sorry to hear of this problem
basically you can over rev an engine by accedent by simply downshifting while going to fast for the lower gear you pute it in like if yer going 70 and pute in in 1st gear basically the egine will rev super fast and blow, dosent matter about the drive by wire, that only helps when accelerating so if you were going to fast and egine braked into a turn and thru it in first gear you may have a problem in that respect but that was just to answer your queschin about how to over rev a drive by wire car
anywho
while i worked at the mini dealer for a while i found out a cool little thing on our mini computers
they record EVERYTHING they can tell the dealer rpm's how hard the gas was applied and how you were driving, so basically they can tell if the car looked as if it was being auto x [Emphasis added.]
its really scary
the car told the dealer my car stalled because of low fuel and showed how much fuel was in the tank witch caused a miss fire then stall in the morning and other things
that adaptive logic on your computer logs driving habits and also shows the dealer how your driving witch has been the reason why they denied claimes at my dealer a while ago !
be carfull their watching !!!
but i say stick with it or try another dealer if possible
my dealer lies sometimes or just dosent know what their talking about (they lied to me about waranty work) i go to another dealer and they fix it so its really up to you if you want to stick with them or try another, id try another since they dont sound very helpfull anyway
basically you can over rev an engine by accedent by simply downshifting while going to fast for the lower gear you pute it in like if yer going 70 and pute in in 1st gear basically the egine will rev super fast and blow, dosent matter about the drive by wire, that only helps when accelerating so if you were going to fast and egine braked into a turn and thru it in first gear you may have a problem in that respect but that was just to answer your queschin about how to over rev a drive by wire car
anywho
while i worked at the mini dealer for a while i found out a cool little thing on our mini computers
they record EVERYTHING they can tell the dealer rpm's how hard the gas was applied and how you were driving, so basically they can tell if the car looked as if it was being auto x [Emphasis added.]
its really scary
the car told the dealer my car stalled because of low fuel and showed how much fuel was in the tank witch caused a miss fire then stall in the morning and other things
that adaptive logic on your computer logs driving habits and also shows the dealer how your driving witch has been the reason why they denied claimes at my dealer a while ago !
be carfull their watching !!!
but i say stick with it or try another dealer if possible
my dealer lies sometimes or just dosent know what their talking about (they lied to me about waranty work) i go to another dealer and they fix it so its really up to you if you want to stick with them or try another, id try another since they dont sound very helpfull anyway
#43
09-25-2006, 07:17 PM
I would seek a second opinion, or dealership. Are there any other dealerships in Pittsburgh?
Also, as the Magnusson warranty act (forgot its' real name), clearly states, the burden of proof is on the DEALER. It is within your right for them to prove to you that you over-revved your engine, causing the failure of the transmission.
If your computer really does record everything, as one poster suggested, then there should be a record of this.
You seem to have a very strong case, in my opinion!
Also, as the Magnusson warranty act (forgot its' real name), clearly states, the burden of proof is on the DEALER. It is within your right for them to prove to you that you over-revved your engine, causing the failure of the transmission.
If your computer really does record everything, as one poster suggested, then there should be a record of this.
You seem to have a very strong case, in my opinion!
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09-25-2006, 07:23 PM
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Getting back on topic, how is it possible to over-rev a differential and not have any damage to the engine?
Food for thought and this is the last I mention this since the dealer never even mentioned this as an issue and they KNOW we autocross the car:
http://www.miniusa.com/crm/load_mini...oron/freestyle
Click on the link that says "Win race money from MINI"...
We have been unable to find any reference to any claim being denied by MINI due to autocross. That either means autocross isn't as hard on your car as some people seem to think or the issues were covered under warranty.
Food for thought and this is the last I mention this since the dealer never even mentioned this as an issue and they KNOW we autocross the car:
http://www.miniusa.com/crm/load_mini...oron/freestyle
Click on the link that says "Win race money from MINI"...
We have been unable to find any reference to any claim being denied by MINI due to autocross. That either means autocross isn't as hard on your car as some people seem to think or the issues were covered under warranty.
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09-25-2006, 07:24 PM
I have yet to find any actual example of mini refusing to cover a repair that they claimed was autox related. [Emphasis added.] Not that that's the case in this situation. I searched. I couldn't find anything. For one, it would seem rather disingenuous for mini to sponsor events and promote the car's abilities on one hand, while refusing to cover repairs on the other hand.
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Originally Posted by skiploder
"they are denying warranty service on my car because they have not performed all of the work under the hood."
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09-25-2006, 08:20 PM
We have no mods. We have never had any work done under the hood, aside from oil changes, which I do myself. Anything done under the hood has been done by MINI. So I do not understand why you bring up skiploder's situation when the circumstances are very different. As I said, we have found no denial of warranty coverage for our circumstances.
Hopefully you get my point about MINI's aversion to their cars being used on the track.
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#49
09-25-2006, 10:47 PM
Thanks for the reference. Unfortunately, now that I have read through some of the skiploder stuff, I see that you know the following full well:
We have no mods. We have never had any work done under the hood, aside from oil changes, which I do myself. Anything done under the hood has been done by MINI. So I do not understand why you bring up skiploder's situation when the circumstances are very different. As I said, we have found no denial of warranty coverage for our circumstances.
We have no mods. We have never had any work done under the hood, aside from oil changes, which I do myself. Anything done under the hood has been done by MINI. So I do not understand why you bring up skiploder's situation when the circumstances are very different. As I said, we have found no denial of warranty coverage for our circumstances.
The correspondence my counsel received from BMW's hired gorillas stated that my car had been noted as a participant in several track events and referenced the fact that BMWNA had clearly stated in their warranty that competitive and/or time events were cause for nullifying my warranty.
Our response was simple - the car had not been autoxed or in an actual competitive event - but had been tracked as part of HPDE and open track days. They then reverted to their final stance of "we're pretty sure we can outspend/outlast you.".
BMovierat - whether you realize it or not, this is not a M-M Act issue. They can rest their position firmly on the fact that you autrocrossed the car - which per their warranty statement is grounds for nullifying your coverage.
There is no need for burden of proof on their part.
Trust me, I feel your pain. It's frustrating. What's worse is that people constantly give bad advice regarding aftermarket parts, racing and warranty coverage.
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09-25-2006, 10:58 PM
