Question about the MCS Supercharger
Question about the MCS Supercharger
Having never owned a supercharged car before, and not knowing much at all about them, can someone point me to a good primer to learn all there is to know about how superchargers work?
The supercharger essentially draws mass quantities air into the engine combustion chamber, correct?
I've read in the "detailing 101" threads that some MCS owners run forced water into the Supercharger (among other liquids!) to clean it--surely you can't just flood the supercharger with water from a hose WHILE THE SC is still attached to the engine--can you???
Do you have to remove it from the engine before doing this for a thorough cleaning? If the SC forces air directly into the engine combustion chamber, then what keeps stuff like rain water from ingesting into the engine through the same route as the air?
Also, any other very basic stuff a new owner of an MCS should know, having to do specifically with the supercharger? I'm sure keeping it free of debris (leaves and bugs and whatnot) is essential but anything else to keep it running tip-top shape? What is this I hear about an "oil catch can"? Is that a component of the supercharger as well?
Thanks a lot for your input.
-boognish
The supercharger essentially draws mass quantities air into the engine combustion chamber, correct?
I've read in the "detailing 101" threads that some MCS owners run forced water into the Supercharger (among other liquids!) to clean it--surely you can't just flood the supercharger with water from a hose WHILE THE SC is still attached to the engine--can you???
Do you have to remove it from the engine before doing this for a thorough cleaning? If the SC forces air directly into the engine combustion chamber, then what keeps stuff like rain water from ingesting into the engine through the same route as the air?
Also, any other very basic stuff a new owner of an MCS should know, having to do specifically with the supercharger? I'm sure keeping it free of debris (leaves and bugs and whatnot) is essential but anything else to keep it running tip-top shape? What is this I hear about an "oil catch can"? Is that a component of the supercharger as well?
Thanks a lot for your input.
-boognish
Supercharger Basics
A supercharger is any device that pressurizes the air intake to above atmospheric pressure. Both superchargers and turbochargers do this. In fact, the term "turbocharger" is a shortened version of "turbo-supercharger," its official name. [FONT=arial,helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica]
[SIZE=-2]Photo courtesy HowStuffWorks Shopper[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A twin-screw supercharger[/SIZE][/FONT]
The difference between the two devices is their source of energy. Turbochargers are powered by the mass-flow of exhaust gases driving a turbine. Superchargers are powered mechanically by belt- or chain-drive from the engine's crankshaft.
An ordinary four-stroke engine dedicates one stroke to the process of air intake. There are three steps in this process:
[SIZE=-1]A basic engine with the addition of a supercharger.[/SIZE] Getting more fuel into the charge would make for a more powerful explosion. But you can't simply pump more fuel into the engine because an exact amount of oxygen is required to burn a given amount of fuel. This chemically correct mixture -- 14 parts air to one part fuel -- is essential for an engine to operate efficiently. The bottom line: To put in more fuel, you have to put in more air.
That's the job of the supercharger. Superchargers increase intake by compressing air above atmospheric pressure, without creating a vacuum. This forces more air into the engine, providing a "boost." With the additional air in the boost, more fuel can be added to the charge, and the power of the engine is increased. Supercharging adds an average of 46 percent more horsepower and 31 percent more torque. In high-altitude situations, where engine performance deteriorates because the air has low density and pressure, a supercharger delivers higher-pressure air to the engine so it can operate optimally.
In the next section, we'll take a closer look at how superchargers work.
How It Works
Unlike turbochargers, which use the exhaust gases created by combustion to power the compressor, superchargers draw their power directly from the crankshaft. Most are driven by an accessory belt, which wraps around a pulley that is connected to a drive gear. The drive gear, in turn, rotates the compressor gear. The rotor of the compressor can come in various designs, but its job is to draw air in, squeeze the air into a smaller space and discharge it into the intake manifold. [FONT=arial,helvetica]
[SIZE=-2]Photo courtesy Muscle Mustang[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]ProCharger D1SC centrifugal supercharger[/SIZE]
[/FONT]
To pressurize the air, a supercharger must spin rapidly -- more rapidly than the engine itself. Making the drive gear larger than the compressor gear causes the compressor to spin faster. Superchargers can spin at speeds as high as 50,000 to 65,000 rotations per minute (RPM).
A compressor spinning at 50,000 RPM translates to a boost of about six to nine pounds per square inch (psi). That's six to nine additional psi over the atmospheric pressure at a particular elevation. Atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 psi, so a typical boost from a supercharger places about 50 percent more air into the engine.
As the air is compressed, it gets hotter, which means that it loses its density and can not expand as much during the explosion. This means that it can't create as much power when it's ignited by the spark plug. For a supercharger to work at peak efficiency, the compressed air exiting the discharge unit must be cooled before it enters the intake manifold. The intercooler is responsible for this cooling process. Intercoolers come in two basic designs: air-to-air intercoolers and air-to-water intercoolers. Both work just like a radiator, with cooler air or water sent through a system of pipes or tubes. As the hot air exiting the supercharger encounters the cooler pipes, it also cools down. The reduction in air temperature increases the density of the air, which makes for a denser charge entering the combustion chamber.
Heres the origonal link http://auto.howstuffworks.com/supercharger2.htm
A supercharger is any device that pressurizes the air intake to above atmospheric pressure. Both superchargers and turbochargers do this. In fact, the term "turbocharger" is a shortened version of "turbo-supercharger," its official name. [FONT=arial,helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=arial,helvetica]

[SIZE=-2]Photo courtesy HowStuffWorks Shopper[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]A twin-screw supercharger[/SIZE][/FONT]
The difference between the two devices is their source of energy. Turbochargers are powered by the mass-flow of exhaust gases driving a turbine. Superchargers are powered mechanically by belt- or chain-drive from the engine's crankshaft.
An ordinary four-stroke engine dedicates one stroke to the process of air intake. There are three steps in this process:
- The piston moves down.
- This creates a vacuum.
- Air at atmospheric pressure is sucked into the combustion chamber.
[SIZE=-1]A basic engine with the addition of a supercharger.[/SIZE] Getting more fuel into the charge would make for a more powerful explosion. But you can't simply pump more fuel into the engine because an exact amount of oxygen is required to burn a given amount of fuel. This chemically correct mixture -- 14 parts air to one part fuel -- is essential for an engine to operate efficiently. The bottom line: To put in more fuel, you have to put in more air.
That's the job of the supercharger. Superchargers increase intake by compressing air above atmospheric pressure, without creating a vacuum. This forces more air into the engine, providing a "boost." With the additional air in the boost, more fuel can be added to the charge, and the power of the engine is increased. Supercharging adds an average of 46 percent more horsepower and 31 percent more torque. In high-altitude situations, where engine performance deteriorates because the air has low density and pressure, a supercharger delivers higher-pressure air to the engine so it can operate optimally.
In the next section, we'll take a closer look at how superchargers work.
How It Works
Unlike turbochargers, which use the exhaust gases created by combustion to power the compressor, superchargers draw their power directly from the crankshaft. Most are driven by an accessory belt, which wraps around a pulley that is connected to a drive gear. The drive gear, in turn, rotates the compressor gear. The rotor of the compressor can come in various designs, but its job is to draw air in, squeeze the air into a smaller space and discharge it into the intake manifold. [FONT=arial,helvetica]

[SIZE=-2]Photo courtesy Muscle Mustang[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]ProCharger D1SC centrifugal supercharger[/SIZE]
[/FONT]
To pressurize the air, a supercharger must spin rapidly -- more rapidly than the engine itself. Making the drive gear larger than the compressor gear causes the compressor to spin faster. Superchargers can spin at speeds as high as 50,000 to 65,000 rotations per minute (RPM).
A compressor spinning at 50,000 RPM translates to a boost of about six to nine pounds per square inch (psi). That's six to nine additional psi over the atmospheric pressure at a particular elevation. Atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 psi, so a typical boost from a supercharger places about 50 percent more air into the engine.
As the air is compressed, it gets hotter, which means that it loses its density and can not expand as much during the explosion. This means that it can't create as much power when it's ignited by the spark plug. For a supercharger to work at peak efficiency, the compressed air exiting the discharge unit must be cooled before it enters the intake manifold. The intercooler is responsible for this cooling process. Intercoolers come in two basic designs: air-to-air intercoolers and air-to-water intercoolers. Both work just like a radiator, with cooler air or water sent through a system of pipes or tubes. As the hot air exiting the supercharger encounters the cooler pipes, it also cools down. The reduction in air temperature increases the density of the air, which makes for a denser charge entering the combustion chamber.
Heres the origonal link http://auto.howstuffworks.com/supercharger2.htm
Thanks qwertmonkey, that's great information.
So the MSC is an air-to-air supercharger, yes? Meaning it is air-cooled, not connected to a separate water source (radiator) for cooling?
Is it easy to remove for cleaning...I see just 4 bolts on top. Is it equally easy to put back on (sometimes things are easy to remove, and a bear to replace!)
rock on,
-MB
So the MSC is an air-to-air supercharger, yes? Meaning it is air-cooled, not connected to a separate water source (radiator) for cooling?
Is it easy to remove for cleaning...I see just 4 bolts on top. Is it equally easy to put back on (sometimes things are easy to remove, and a bear to replace!)
rock on,
-MB
Originally Posted by boognish
So the MSC is an air-to-air supercharger, yes? Meaning it is air-cooled, not connected to a separate water source (radiator) for cooling?
Originally Posted by boognish
Is it easy to remove for cleaning...I see just 4 bolts on top. Is it equally easy to put back on (sometimes things are easy to remove, and a bear to replace!)
Out of curiousity, why are you wanting to clean the intercooler and/or supercharger?
Originally Posted by caminifan
Out of curiousity, why are you wanting to clean the intercooler and/or supercharger?
Originally Posted by boognish
I've read in the "detailing 101" threads that some MCS owners run forced water into the Supercharger (among other liquids!) to clean it--surely you can't just flood the supercharger with water from a hose WHILE THE SC is still attached to the engine--can you???
What is this I hear about an "oil catch can"? Is that a component of the supercharger as well?
What is this I hear about an "oil catch can"? Is that a component of the supercharger as well?
I really doubt that.Also, a supercharger is parasitic meaning it takes HP from the engine to drive it. The intercooler merely helps keep the air temp down since the colder the air, the more dense it is.
An oil catch can (OCC) help trap oil that "might" accumulate in the IC. MINI didn't provide one so chances are you dont need it. Some ppl like them to gain the last "ounce" of performance. While it might collect some oil, its very doubtful (IMHO) that you will ever feel the effect in terms of power loss.
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Originally Posted by chows4us
Where is the reference that someone washed the inside of their supercharger?
I really doubt that.
Also, a supercharger is parasitic meaning it takes HP from the engine to drive it. The intercooler merely helps keep the air temp down since the colder the air, the more dense it is.
An oil catch can (OCC) help trap oil that "might" accumulate in the IC. MINI didn't provide one so chances are you dont need it. Some ppl like them to gain the last "ounce" of performance. While it might collect some oil, its very doubtful (IMHO) that you will ever feel the effect in terms of power loss.[Emphasis added.]
I really doubt that.Also, a supercharger is parasitic meaning it takes HP from the engine to drive it. The intercooler merely helps keep the air temp down since the colder the air, the more dense it is.
An oil catch can (OCC) help trap oil that "might" accumulate in the IC. MINI didn't provide one so chances are you dont need it. Some ppl like them to gain the last "ounce" of performance. While it might collect some oil, its very doubtful (IMHO) that you will ever feel the effect in terms of power loss.[Emphasis added.]
Originally Posted by chows4us
Where is the reference that someone washed the inside of their supercharger?
I really doubt that.
I really doubt that.https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...an+intercooler
Originally Posted by PrplPplEtr
it's not in the detailing forum, but i read this thread yesterday, so i knew what he was referencing...
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...an+intercooler
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...an+intercooler


Yucca is talking about, I believe, taking the IC cover off and cleaning the inside of the IC (get any oil residue out). That not the supercharger.
did some quick googling... i think this might help....
intercooler
but how it cools on top of the engine is beyond me... is there airflow there?
intercooler
but how it cools on top of the engine is beyond me... is there airflow there?
Originally Posted by zer03s
sorry for the dumb question. is the intercooler the black square thing that sits on top of the engine?
Originally Posted by neuralstatic
did some quick googling... i think this might help....
intercooler
but how it cools on top of the engine is beyond me... is there airflow there?
intercooler
but how it cools on top of the engine is beyond me... is there airflow there?
Just for the record...
As the air leaves the supercharger, it's compressed making it very hot. This air flows into the left side of the intercooler. The intercooler uses outside air (coming in from the hood scoop) to cool the compressed air back down ideally to the outside temp. This air flows out the bottom of the intercooler into the engine compartment, and eventually out of the car. The intercooler allows a higher density to be put into the engine. From the right side of the intercooler, air flows into the cylinders.
That's my best explanation without going into a Thermodynamic analysis of the system
As the air leaves the supercharger, it's compressed making it very hot. This air flows into the left side of the intercooler. The intercooler uses outside air (coming in from the hood scoop) to cool the compressed air back down ideally to the outside temp. This air flows out the bottom of the intercooler into the engine compartment, and eventually out of the car. The intercooler allows a higher density to be put into the engine. From the right side of the intercooler, air flows into the cylinders.
That's my best explanation without going into a Thermodynamic analysis of the system
They probably placed the MINI Intercooler on the top of the engine for packaging reasons. I believe in 99.99% of all cases (and I'm talking out my butt here so feel free to correct me)...anyway, in the vast majority of cases a similarly sized FMIC will outperform the TMIC. The TMIC has to deal with all that heat under the bonnet! You could always do like one of the classic Mini owners in the UK did and just mount the IC on *top* of the bonnet. Looks goofy as hell, but the car was sure fast!
Originally Posted by Latka
They probably placed the MINI Intercooler on the top of the engine for packaging reasons. I believe in 99.99% of all cases (and I'm talking out my butt here so feel free to correct me)...anyway, in the vast majority of cases a similarly sized FMIC will outperform the TMIC. The TMIC has to deal with all that heat under the bonnet! You could always do like one of the classic Mini owners in the UK did and just mount the IC on *top* of the bonnet. Looks goofy as hell, but the car was sure fast!
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