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Old 08-21-2010, 09:56 AM
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Was wondering if anyone knows what the reason could be that my mini is hesitating to get up to speed like a put put, its a standard 05 mini s please help
Most of the reasons I can think of would also cause the OBD to throw a failure code and illuminate your "check engine" light. How many miles are on the car? How long has your supercharger belt been on the car? (it may be slipping) Do you always have the hesitation, or does it come and go?
 
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Old 08-25-2010, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tsayakhom
Was wondering if anyone knows what the reason could be that my mini is hesitating to get up to speed like a put put, its a standard 05 mini s please help
I have a 2005 Mini Cooper S and I notice it too. The flywheel on the car is rediculously heavy and it tends to put alot of strain on the engine untill the super charger kicks in at around 3,500 RPM. If you are babying the car you'll notice that lag alot more in hte middle, if you are impatient like me, you'll just rev the engine up high and feather the clutch to keep the RPM's up. This could be why i needed a new clutch and front end at 50,000 miles
Doing this for some reason,tends to foul up your spark plugs pretty quickly and that gave me some major acceleration problems. Try changing your plugs and see if that helps
 
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Old 12-27-2010, 03:12 PM
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I wouldn't even consider running anything but (Super Unleaded) or (Premium Unleaded) in any MINI or anything else - except for maybe a lawn tractor...or a weed whacker....
 
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Well I didn't read this entire post because it's a mile long. But in a nutshell, Mini's have a high compression engine which is why they need a higher octane. Any engine that has a compression ratio above approximately 9 to 1, will need a higher octane fuel. Higher compression engines need a slower burning fuel which is provided by the higher octane rating!
 
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Too much coffee is not always a good thing!!!
 
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Mine has never seen anything less than 93 octane, it still runs marvelous @108K.
 
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Gas/octane

People,
Think of where the engine was designed and built (Europe). There the petrol sold is 93 to 105 octane. Think ! also there gas is aprox $9 a gal.
So there 93 is low octane.
 
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Old 03-08-2011, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by diverdan3234
People,
Think of where the engine was designed and built (Europe). There the petrol sold is 93 to 105 octane. Think ! also there gas is aprox $9 a gal.
So there 93 is low octane.
Apples to oranges
RON vs AKI

Explanation taken from Wiki...

"Research Octane Number (RON) The most common type of octane rating worldwide is the Research Octane Number (RON). RON is determined by running the fuel in a test engine with a variable compression ratio under controlled conditions, and comparing the results with those for mixtures of iso-octane and n-heptane.


Anti-Knock Index (AKI)

In most countries, including Australia and all of those in Europe, the "headline" octane rating shown on the pump is the RON, but in Canada, the United States and some other countries, like Brazil, the headline number is the average of the RON and the MON, called the Anti-Knock Index (AKI, and often written on pumps as (R+M)/2). It may also sometimes be called the Road Octane Number (RdON) or Pump Octane Number (PON).


Difference between RON and AKI

Because of the 8 to 10 point difference noted above, the octane rating shown in the United States is 4 to 5 points lower than the rating shown elsewhere in the world for the same fuel. See the table in the following section for a comparison
RON MON AKI
"regular" gasoline in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US 91–92 82–83 87
"EuroSuper" or "EuroPremium" or "Regular unleaded" in Europe 95 85–86 90–91
"SuperPlus" in Germany, Great Britain, Slovenia and Spain, "SP98" in France 98 89–90 93–94
 
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Originally Posted by kaelaria
Jeezus how many times are the cheap/uninformed going to bring up this topic? IT'S IN YOUR MANUAL PEOPLE! The engineers aren't lying to you! Put less than 91 in the engine will pull timing to prevent your engine from detonating itself - as has been posted ad-nasium. Search - it's a wonderful thing, so are FAQs. So are Manuals. I think this has been posted over 10 times this month alone.
 
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Old 03-21-2011, 05:43 PM
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Ha ha ha ha !
 
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Originally Posted by MotorMouth
The manual says premium, the gas cap says premium, and your MA should have told you premium. If you don't run premium you are giving ammo to the service department to deny warranty service for certain maladies that may result. You really should stick with premium. ESPECIALLY for a S model.
And they can prove that how?
 
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As posted on other threads, regular gas as opposed to premium isn't a lower grade fuel. It just has lower anti-knock properties as the octane rating suggests. There is more potential power in lower octane but higher compression/more timing advanced engines can't use it to its full potential due to knocking/predetonation. So the perfect fuel is the lowest octane rating that allows your engine to run as timing advanced as it needs for best performance without predetonation.
 
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Old 04-30-2011, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Heaven
And they can prove that how?
it's very easy for them to take a fuel sample and have it analyzed. Doesn't meet minimum octane? bye bye warranty no matter how much you cry.
 
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Old 04-30-2011, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MotorMouth
it's very easy for them to take a fuel sample and have it analyzed. Doesn't meet minimum octane? bye bye warranty no matter how much you cry.
Really, , , wouldn't they need to prove that lower octane was used ALL THE TIME and not just one tank? What if just THAT ONE TANK was higher octane and lower had been used the rest of the time? They are going to test every mini that comes in for work? Seriously? It defies logic.
 
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Heaven
Really, , , wouldn't they need to prove that lower octane was used ALL THE TIME and not just one tank? What if just THAT ONE TANK was higher octane and lower had been used the rest of the time? They are going to test every mini that comes in for work? Seriously? It defies logic.
you are naive. They don't need to prove you ran it all the time - just the tie you brought it in and a problem was caused by low octane.

You come in for detonation faults.. They very well might run an octane test - they are troubleshooting the car and need to find out why there is detonation. If they test it and the octane is low - you just got yourself a service bill.

Blow a hole in the piston? Dang straight they would test the gas if they didn't find any mechanical problems for it happening. The computer would already have a string of knock detections saved. You think you'll throw some premium in there after blowing a piston to cheat the gas test? unlikely.

Stuttering/stalling/hard to start problem? They look at the injectors - Are they clean? Fuel pressure good? If yes, test the gas and charge the customer if it's bad..

Dealerships can easily and cheaply get gas tested. Of course they will if that is a possible cause of whatever problem you've had and there are no other obvious reasons or the obvious reasons have already been disproven.
 
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:54 AM
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there are no other obvious reasons or the obvious reasons have already been disproven
Not good enough, I'm fairly confidant that a Judge would uphold their requirement to fulfill the warranty unless there was a direct correlation between lack of responsibility on the consumer's part and failure of the mechanical equipment.
 

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Originally Posted by Heaven
Not good enough, I'm fairly confidant that a Judge would uphold their requirement to fulfill the warranty unless there was a direct correlation between lack of responsibility on the consumer's part and failure of the mechanical equipment.

go ahead and run whatever you want. Please post when you have to pay a repair bill so i can laugh at you.
 
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:54 AM
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Don't forget the Chevron Techron additive to help remove the combustion deposits.
 
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Higher oct is the temp that fuel burns a high compression engine causes more heat in the compression stroke the gas burns before the plug fires causing a knock and yes the computer changes timing to help out but some performance is lost Cleaners are added to fuel to keep your injectors clean not for a knock problem The higher the engine compression the higher the oct
rating that in needed
 
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Originally Posted by CooperSigma
Nope, a minimum of 91 octane is required.
first and best
 
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Originally Posted by yonatan11
first and best
What he said
 
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Originally Posted by 03M1N1
Don't forget the Chevron Techron additive to help remove the combustion deposits.
Every 4k miles.....
 
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Old 12-02-2011, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ballandchain
Every 4k miles.....
It's a lot cheaper than removing the head to clean the valves...
 
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would a non-ethanol 91 octane gasoline be acceptable run in a cooper s?
 


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