P0108 + P0036, check wiring before changing sensors?
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P0108 + P0036, check wiring before changing sensors?
I got my R53 back from the mechanic for a head gasket + valve job, but in less than a mile it lit the MIL (check engine), it doesn't keep idle very well and at constant throttle it stutters, especially between 2 and 3000 rpm (I guess because it's closed loop). Clearly running super rich: bad mpg and soot coming out of the exhaust. Intake pressure on Torque is always 34psi constant, even with engine off.
No problems at WOT or at constant throttle but above 3200 rpm (I guess because it goes to open loop).
Diagnosis is:
P0108 - Manifold Absolute Pressure/Barometric Pressure Circuit High Input [current fault, doesn't let me clean it]
P0036 - HO2S Heater Contro Circuit (Bank 1 Sensor 2) [stored fault, lets me clean it but it recurs]. Probably just caused by the first issue.
Now, I have taken out the MAP and TMAP sensors and they look ok, TMAP was wet in oil but delicate cleaning with solvent didn't solve the issues.
Is there a way to check the wiring with a tester to see if power and ground are good, before starting to blindly change the sensors?
My suspect is that rebuilding head and radiator, the mechanic has shorted the sensor wires.
No problems at WOT or at constant throttle but above 3200 rpm (I guess because it goes to open loop).
Diagnosis is:
P0108 - Manifold Absolute Pressure/Barometric Pressure Circuit High Input [current fault, doesn't let me clean it]
P0036 - HO2S Heater Contro Circuit (Bank 1 Sensor 2) [stored fault, lets me clean it but it recurs]. Probably just caused by the first issue.
Now, I have taken out the MAP and TMAP sensors and they look ok, TMAP was wet in oil but delicate cleaning with solvent didn't solve the issues.
Is there a way to check the wiring with a tester to see if power and ground are good, before starting to blindly change the sensors?
My suspect is that rebuilding head and radiator, the mechanic has shorted the sensor wires.
Last edited by Fra881; 05-28-2018 at 01:05 PM.
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I got my R53 back from the mechanic for a head gasket + valve job, but in less than a mile it lit the MIL (check engine), it doesn't keep idle very well and at constant throttle it stutters, especially between 2 and 3000 rpm (I guess because it's closed loop). Clearly running super rich: bad mpg and soot coming out of the exhaust. Intake pressure on Torque is always 34psi constant, even with engine off.
No problems at WOT or at constant throttle but above 3200 rpm (I guess because it goes to open loop).
Diagnosis is:
P0108 - Manifold Absolute Pressure/Barometric Pressure Circuit High Input [current fault, doesn't let me clean it]
P0036 - HO2S Heater Contro Circuit (Bank 1 Sensor 2) [stored fault, lets me clean it but it recurs]. Probably just caused by the first issue.
Now, I have taken out the MAP and TMAP sensors and they look ok, TMAP was wet in oil but delicate cleaning with solvent didn't solve the issues.
Is there a way to check the wiring with a tester to see if power and ground are good, before starting to blindly change the sensors?
My suspect is that rebuilding head and radiator, the mechanic has shorted the sensor wires.
No problems at WOT or at constant throttle but above 3200 rpm (I guess because it goes to open loop).
Diagnosis is:
P0108 - Manifold Absolute Pressure/Barometric Pressure Circuit High Input [current fault, doesn't let me clean it]
P0036 - HO2S Heater Contro Circuit (Bank 1 Sensor 2) [stored fault, lets me clean it but it recurs]. Probably just caused by the first issue.
Now, I have taken out the MAP and TMAP sensors and they look ok, TMAP was wet in oil but delicate cleaning with solvent didn't solve the issues.
Is there a way to check the wiring with a tester to see if power and ground are good, before starting to blindly change the sensors?
My suspect is that rebuilding head and radiator, the mechanic has shorted the sensor wires.
Cleaning sensors and hoping they will be cured is one of the biggest automotive service myth. The pressure sensor is a piezoelectric transducer and it either work or kaputt. Cleaning it will not make an Iota difference to its functionality if it has departed. Also unless from road salt corrosion, Mini's wiring harness is very good. The problems are often because of the mechanic.
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What is the contractual obligation of your mechanic for doing the head job? Don't he/she has the obligation of not messing up the electronic engine management system? Was the car running fine up to the departed valve?
Cleaning sensors and hoping they will be cured is one of the biggest automotive service myth. The pressure sensor is a piezoelectric transducer and it either work or kaputt. Cleaning it will not make an Iota difference to its functionality if it has departed. Also unless from road salt corrosion, Mini's wiring harness is very good. The problems are often because of the mechanic.
Cleaning sensors and hoping they will be cured is one of the biggest automotive service myth. The pressure sensor is a piezoelectric transducer and it either work or kaputt. Cleaning it will not make an Iota difference to its functionality if it has departed. Also unless from road salt corrosion, Mini's wiring harness is very good. The problems are often because of the mechanic.
Is there a way to check the wiring from the connector with a tester, to avoid disassembling the front to physically check it?
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As for the first question, I'd love to, but how do I check the sensors with the meter, do you know the correct values and the pins to check?
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Read and make sure you understand this fully before proceed. I am too busy for other things so I won't spend time on it. The pressure transducer output is a voltage, but I doubt you can just disconnect the harness and measure it. Do it at your own risk if you not up to electronics and what a piezoelectric sensor is.
https://workshop-manuals.com/mini/co...ams/page_5536/
https://workshop-manuals.com/mini/co...ams/page_5536/
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Once you see the actual data it will show you exactly what is going on.
pnwR53S has posted the voltages you are looking for.
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also, couldn't I do the same harness-side, putting the meter in voltage mode and checking first the power, then the ground pins of the harness with key-on to see if the (currently disconnected) sensor is correctly powered or there's a short/break in the wiring harness?
@dowinshift1: I use a elm327 obd2 bt adapter and torque pro, I thought the intake pressure constant at 34 psi even at engine off was the problem (high pressure read -> a lot of fuel in -> running rich). You are suggesting the scan tool is not reading properly?
Might I be better off using ISTA-D/Rheingold?
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