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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 03:46 PM
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Interior oil pan cracks 77k mi?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Below I have hopefully uploaded some pics of the interior of my 2004 Cooper S with 77k miles. I was doing an oil pan gasket change and upon cleaning the oil pan noticed these numerous rough cracks in the bottom of the oil pan. Is this normal? Should I buy a new pan or press with the one I have. There appears to be no cracks all the way through that I can tell. Thanks.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 03:53 PM
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Moving this the Stock Problems/Issues area.

I am wondering if those are some type of casting/mold mark.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 04:04 PM
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Ok thanks. I dont know enough about metallurgy to tell. They don't look or feel like casting or mold marks. Idk
 
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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 04:31 PM
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It looks like spalling caused by the material being cooled too fast during manufacture.

It is usually a cosmetic problem, on the surface, and is generally allowed to pass inspection when that surface is to be machined. In this case they may have figured that since it was inside the oil pan, no one would see it.

You could sand it down to smooth aluminum, the cracks shouldn't be very deep.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 04:37 PM
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I am a retired construction manager and was thinking shrinkage cracks from cooling but don't know about about metal other than iron rusts.

But then there was the nuclear laser building project that I did some estimation on for Cornell and had to price out a ship load of hematite ore for.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 04:47 PM
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Thanks. I guess I won't be too worried about it. At first I thought it could flake off and be run through the engine. On second look, it's rough and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Looked at a few used pans on eBay and most of them had the same cracking.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 07:13 PM
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Thanks. I guess I won't be too worried about it. At first I thought it could flake off and be run through the engine. On second look, it's rough and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. Looked at a few used pans on eBay and most of them had the same cracking.

I've actually owned a couple non-mini BMW's and have for one reason or another pulled oils pans on both and have noticed the same cracking, so it doesn't surprise me that the mini's pan looks the same. It seems to be stress from cooling during the manufacturing process they use and I think it'll be okay.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 07:37 PM
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Thanks Danny. Appreciate the reassurance.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 08:05 PM
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We see this all the time as it is normal from the casting. It doesn't leak I wouldn't worry about it.
 
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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 08:42 PM
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Thanks Way!
 
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Old Jun 4, 2017 | 09:07 PM
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This is the micro structure from the high pressure die casting process and is normal. If this Micro structure during casting becomes to large you end up with what is called porosity
( i.e. Fluid will pass through it). But you pressure test the parts when you make them and scrap the leaking ones.

Oil pan does not have pressure on it so these castings are typically not treated so oil works into the structure and makes it visible. Items like water pumps and power steering pumps are often impregnated with a polymer to keep fluid under pressure from working through the Micro structure.

Was responsible for ops at 3 tier 1 plants doing machining and assembly. Our main casting supplier was a sister plant at 8,000 ft in Mexico. Casting at altitude reduces porosity
 
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