In the US, the only ones available are as follows on Cooper and S : Car serviced at dealer today..........see page 41 manual...some are ok for US others listed are not......

Do-able.......

1) running lights
2) remote utilized in opening of windows and sunroof
3) auto 10 mph locks
4) one touch remote all locks open all doors
5) delayed headlights after locking car....various timing 40 seconds, 90 seconds, etc.

not available :

1) automatic up windows either side...manual is wrong
2) left key unlock position not available when remote feature does same thing
3) auto windshield wiper speed regulator or auto wash wipers Andrew B

 

Do you notice any difference in performance after getting CD #31 updated in your car?

According to MINIUSA, CD #31 only applies to the 5-speed MINI Cooper and MINI Cooper 'S' models. It appears to be that there is a separate ECU software update for the MINI Cooper CVT known as CD #32 which is yet to be released (In about 4 weeks according to my dealer).

Have you heard of ECU update CD #32??????

 

-Just had the software upgrade applied to my Cooper yesterday at Ralph Schomp in Denver. They did it in about 15 minutes while I waited. I went to get a sandwich and when I came back my car was waiting for me right in front. Great service.

I noticed right away when I started it up that it was a bit smoother. Idle more regular with less fluctuation. Seems smoother through the rev range with a bit more response in the mid range. Feels like the gas pedal is calibrated better and feels more like a mechanical connection to the engine. I like it.

Now the real test was my morning start-up. It would stumble and shudder at the first intersection I stop at in the morning and I would have to gas it to get it to run smoothly enough to take off again. This morning it still stumbled :???: , but far less than it did. I'm happier, but still a little ticked that Civics Golfs and Corollas have been running flawlessly for years and my '02 Cooper still stumbles like it has a carb...

Cheers,

Lee

 

Andrew,
Could you provide more details on what you've described? I've done a lot of research on Vehicle Memory and have posted several items in various threads here at MCO.

What you've listed as Available and Not Availabe is pretty much what I've discovered -- except for the following. Can you provide a little more detail? Thanks.

2) left key unlock position not available when remote feature does same thing
(My remote is programmed to open the windows and roof instead of opening the hatch. I've noticed that holding the key at Unlock in the drivers door doesn't open the windows and roof anymore. Is this what you're describing?)

3) auto windshield wiper speed regulator or auto wash wipers
(I haven't tested this yet. I can live without the wiper speed changes. But having the wipers run after a wash is pretty standard on most cars. Are you certain that this isn't available?)

Thanks for your time and answers.

 

Also, does the idle and stall problems that I read about only apply to manual shift MCs and MCSs built before (or after) a certain date? My MC was built on 17 July 2002 and I've had no idle or stall problems yet, at about 800 miles. Does this only happen after the 1200 mile break-in?
Thanks.

 

My 'S' accelerates in the lower 3 gears with a pulsing that is very annoying. Has anyone else noticed this, dealer tells me it's normal for the 'S'. I say "normal" doesn't make it right.

 

>Now the real test was my morning start-up. It would stumble and shudder
>at the first intersection I stop at in the morning and I would have to gas it
>to get it to run smoothly enough to take off again. This morning it still
>stumbled :???: , but far less than it did. I'm happier, but still a little ticked
>that Civics Golfs and Corollas have been running flawlessly for years and
>my '02 Cooper still stumbles like it has a carb...


Easy way to solve.

1) disengage DSC
2) push in clutch, select 1st
2) Rev to 4k
3) drop clutch


The 'shudder' you should feel now is loss of traction with wheel spin.

-dq

 

>>>Now the real test was my morning start-up. It would stumble and shudder
>>>at the first intersection I stop at in the morning and I would have to gas it
>>>to get it to run smoothly enough to take off again. This morning it still
>>>stumbled :???: , but far less than it did. I'm happier, but still a little ticked
>>>that Civics Golfs and Corollas have been running flawlessly for years and
>>>my '02 Cooper still stumbles like it has a carb...
>>
>>
>>Easy way to solve.
>>
>>1) disengage DSC
>>2) push in clutch, select 1st
>>2) Rev to 4k
>>3) drop clutch
>>
>>
>>The 'shudder' you should feel now is loss of traction with wheel spin.
>>
>>-dq
>>

Yeah - except when it stumbles, the revs stay at 5-600 rpm's no matter where the gas pedal is. A few seconds later it smooths out, then I can go however I please.

 

>>>>>Now the real test was my morning start-up. It would stumble and shudder
>>>>>at the first intersection I stop at in the morning and I would have to gas it
>>>>>to get it to run smoothly enough to take off again. This morning it still
>>>>>stumbled

 

It sounds like some people are finally getting the new performance software fix.

Has anyone seen the problems listed below go away after installing the "CD 31" upgrade?

- "sluggish engine response in 1st gear"
- "cold start problem"
- "engine stumbling/stalling in hot weather when coming to a stop/at idle RPMs"

I would be interested to find out if the upgrade actually works.

 

I stopped by my local MINI service dept yesterday and they were able to upload the new software in just minutes (GREAT SERVICE, Gary at MINI of Peabody!!).

I have a mid-August 02 build date MCS. Gary said that his understanding was that the software did apply to all 2002 MINIs (he didn't add "with manual transmissions", but I think this may have been implied). He said that only the most recent 2003 builds might NOT need it.

I hadn't had cold start problems yet (2500 miles), but did have the boggy first gear problem.

After the upgrade, I'm pleased to report that acceleration is MUCH better off the line. Overall, the car seems smoother torque-wise through the range. I need more miles with the upgrade to truly describe this, but I do see an improvement. ALSO, I noted that this morning the car started at about 1000 rpm faster at initial cold start idle than before. Just like I've experienced in all other cars I've owned, this initial cold fast idle dropped to normal after a few minutes when the car was warm. This definitely was a new "feature" and leads me to believe that I would have had the cold start problem sooner or later (particularly as it gets colder out) if this upgrade hadn't been done.

So, my advice? Go get your upgrade to 3.1. It's fast to do and there are improvements. And no, I don't think that there were any changes to the vehicle memory available (I already had all the features I wanted though...so I didn't push this issue) .

 

Jsun, that is great news!

Could you ask your service advisor about his opinion on downloading CD #31 on an early August 2002 Build MINI Cooper CVT?

Please keep us posted on how you car continues to perform. :smile:

 

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>>Could you ask your service advisor about his opinion on downloading CD #31 on an early August 2002 Build MINI Cooper CVT?
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I just called him, and he says that the CD can be applied to all 2002s, but that the only problem that may impact CVT Coopers that he's aware of is the "stumbles and almost stalls when stopping at a light" problem. He says that if you don't have that problem, he isn't sure whether the 31 upgrade would necessarily do anything for you.

But hey, if you're close enough to your dealer to make it convenient, I'd give it a shot...it doesn't seem like it could hurt (my opinion). Good luck!

 

>>In the US, the only ones available are as follows on Cooper and S : Car serviced at dealer today..........see page 41 manual...some are ok for US others listed are not......
>>
>>Do-able.......
>>
>>1) running lights
>>2) remote utilized in opening of windows and sunroof
>>3) auto 10 mph locks
>>4) one touch remote all locks open all doors
>>5) delayed headlights after locking car....various timing 40 seconds, 90 seconds, etc.
>>
>>not available :
>>Got the upgrade, car quicker, no stumble as settles to idel.....Happy now......recommend highly !!!!
>>1) automatic up windows either side...manual is wrong
>>2) left key unlock position not available when remote feature does same thing
>>3) auto windshield wiper speed regulator or auto wash wipers :smile:

 

Just heard back from MINI USA on the programmable options. "andrew" has it correct except for the wipers. The rep at MINI writes, "there are six speed classes and, when in intermittent mode, the delay will vary depending on what speed class the vehicle is in; this feature is disabled if the rain sensor option is fitted. However, the rain sensor option is available only in conjunction with the auto-dimming rear view mirror and these options are not currently available, .... A manual control of the stalk will override this automatic function. Wiper Speed Reduction Mode is where if the wipers are in 'fast' mode, when the vehicle comes to a halt, the wipers will drop down to 'slow' mode until the vehicle starts to move again. Both the Intermittent Mode and Wiper Speed Reduction Mode can be set by your MINI dealer."

Has anyone proved that what MINI USA claims can be done? "andrew", if you have, that's enough for me. Thanks for the other info.

[I should add that the above may only apply to 2002 MINIs. I was specific in my question to MINI USA that I own a July build 2002 MINI Cooper. The rep. added that the CD31 software upgrade might be useful to me, even though I do not have a CVT. She suggests that I contact my service rep. if I have stall or idle trouble and the CD 31 might help.]


_________________
Indi Blue Cooper w/ Black top & mirrors, sport seats and Prem. Pkg. Christened "Ringo".

 

>>In the US, the only ones available are as follows on Cooper and S : Car serviced at dealer today..........see page 41 manual...some are ok for US others listed are not......

>>
>>not available :
>>
>>1) automatic up windows either side...manual is wrong
>>2) left key unlock position not available when remote feature does same thing
>>3) auto windshield wiper speed regulator or auto wash wipers Andrew B>>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>>

Interesting....Because my MINI has #2 and speed sensitive wipers...

 

>>
>>
>>2) left key unlock position not available when remote feature does same thing
>>(My remote is programmed to open the windows and roof instead of opening the hatch. I've noticed that holding the key at Unlock in the drivers door doesn't open the windows and roof anymore. Is this what you're describing?)
>>
>>3) auto windshield wiper speed regulator or auto wash wipers
>>(I haven't tested this yet. I can live without the wiper speed changes. But having the wipers run after a wash is pretty standard on most cars. Are you certain that this isn't available?)


My remote opens the windows and sunroof and so does the key in the door.

My wipers ARE speed sensitive!

 

>>My 'S' accelerates in the lower 3 gears with a pulsing that is very annoying. Has anyone else noticed this, dealer tells me it's normal for the 'S'. I say "normal" doesn't make it right.
>>>>>>>


Mine does not do this.

 

>>It sounds like some people are finally getting the new performance software fix.
>>
>>Has anyone seen the problems listed below go away after installing the "CD 31" upgrade?
>>
>>- "sluggish engine response in 1st gear"
>>- "cold start problem"
>>- "engine stumbling/stalling in hot weather when coming to a stop/at idle RPMs"
>>
>>I would be interested to find out if the upgrade actually works.
>>

I have a 2003 and have none of the above problems!

 

>>It sounds like some people are finally getting the new performance software fix.
>>
>>Has anyone seen the problems listed below go away after installing the "CD 31" upgrade?
>>
>>- "sluggish engine response in 1st gear"
>>- "cold start problem"
>>- "engine stumbling/stalling in hot weather when coming to a stop/at idle RPMs"
>>
>>I would be interested to find out if the upgrade actually works.
>>

Fixed all of the above. Car quicker out of first and no idle stumble, Never had cold start problem though.........
:smile:

 

>>Andrew,
>>Could you provide more details on what you've described? I've done a lot of research on Vehicle Memory and have posted several items in various threads here at MCO.
>>
>>What you've listed as Available and Not Availabe is pretty much what I've discovered -- except for the following. Can you provide a little more detail? Thanks.
>>
>>2) left key unlock position not available when remote feature does same thing
>>(My remote is programmed to open the windows and roof instead of opening the hatch. I've noticed that holding the key at Unlock in the drivers door doesn't open the windows and roof anymore. Is this what you're describing?)
>>
>>3) auto windshield wiper speed regulator or auto wash wipers
>>(I haven't tested this yet. I can live without the wiper speed changes. But having the wipers run after a wash is pretty standard on most cars. Are you certain that this isn't available?)
>>
>>Thanks for your time and answers.

Reply :

# 2 is exactly as you describe.
I do not have speed sensitive wipers with the upgrade, not important to me either.

Best regards....
:smile:

 

>>>>In the US, the only ones available are as follows on Cooper and S : Car serviced at dealer today..........see page 41 manual...some are ok for US others listed are not......
>>
>>>>
>>>>not available :
>>>>
>>>>1) automatic up windows either side...manual is wrong
>>>>2) left key unlock position not available when remote feature does same thing
>>>>3) auto windshield wiper speed regulator or auto wash wipers Andrew B>>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>>
>>
>>Interesting....Because my MINI has #2 and speed sensitive wipers...
>>
Must be 2003 !!

 

>>Just heard back from MINI USA on the programmable options. "andrew" has it correct except for the wipers. The rep at MINI writes, "there are six speed classes and, when in intermittent mode, the delay will vary depending on what speed class the vehicle is in; this feature is disabled if the rain sensor option is fitted. However, the rain sensor option is available only in conjunction with the auto-dimming rear view mirror and these options are not currently available, .... A manual control of the stalk will override this automatic function. Wiper Speed Reduction Mode is where if the wipers are in 'fast' mode, when the vehicle comes to a halt, the wipers will drop down to 'slow' mode until the vehicle starts to move again. Both the Intermittent Mode and Wiper Speed Reduction Mode can be set by your MINI dealer."
>>
>>Has anyone proved that what MINI USA claims can be done? "andrew", if you have, that's enough for me. Thanks for the other info.


>>Thanks for info......my wipers don't slow down like in my BMWs. I will check again on next service. Also.....I did get them to change my oil/filter cartridge early for free




>>[I should add that the above may only apply to 2002 MINIs. I was specific in my question to MINI USA that I own a July build 2002 MINI Cooper. The rep. added that the CD31 software upgrade might be useful to me, even though I do not have a CVT. She suggests that I contact my service rep. if I have stall or idle trouble and the CD 31 might help.]
>>
>>
>>_________________
>>Indi Blue Cooper w/ Black top & mirrors, sport seats and Prem. Pkg. Christened "Ringo". :smile:

 

>>>>In the US, the only ones available are as follows on Cooper and S : Car serviced at dealer today..........see page 41 manual...some are ok for US others listed are not......
>>
>>>>
>>>>not available :
>>>>
>>>>1) automatic up windows either side...manual is wrong
>>>>2) left key unlock position not available when remote feature does same thing
>>>>3) auto windshield wiper speed regulator or auto wash wipers :smile:

 

>>>>Just heard back from MINI USA on the programmable options. "andrew" has it correct except for the wipers. The rep at MINI writes, "there are six speed classes and, when in intermittent mode, the delay will vary depending on what speed class the vehicle is in; this feature is disabled if the rain sensor option is fitted. However, the rain sensor option is available only in conjunction with the auto-dimming rear view mirror and these options are not currently available, .... A manual control of the stalk will override this automatic function. Wiper Speed Reduction Mode is where if the wipers are in 'fast' mode, when the vehicle comes to a halt, the wipers will drop down to 'slow' mode until the vehicle starts to move again. Both the Intermittent Mode and Wiper Speed Reduction Mode can be set by your MINI dealer."
>>>>
>>>>Has anyone proved that what MINI USA claims can be done? "andrew", if you have, that's enough for me. Thanks for the other info.
>>Found out my wipers worked today !!!! Sorry for misinformation.......Andrew B.
>>
>>>>Thanks for info......my wipers don't slow down like in my BMWs. I will check again on next service. Also.....I did get them to change my oil/filter cartridge early for free
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>[I should add that the above may only apply to 2002 MINIs. I was specific in my question to MINI USA that I own a July build 2002 MINI Cooper. The rep. added that the CD31 software upgrade might be useful to me, even though I do not have a CVT. She suggests that I contact my service rep. if I have stall or idle trouble and the CD 31 might help.]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_________________
>>>>Indi Blue Cooper w/ Black top & mirrors, sport seats and Prem. Pkg. Christened "Ringo". :smile:
:smile: