Stock Problems/Issues Discussions related to warranty related issues and repairs, or other problems with the OEM parts and software for MINI Cooper (R50), Cabrio (R52), and Cooper S (R53) MINIs.

Front Lower Control Arm Bushing Replacement

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 7, 2009 | 09:19 AM
  #1  
Turd Furgasun's Avatar
Turd Furgasun
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Front Lower Control Arm Bushing Replacement

I know.... another thread. But I've searched all 100 of these and this one's different!

I can buy a new Bushing WITH the bracket for $53.95 (#7&8 below), compared to just the bushing @ $46.95 (bavauto.com). Makes sense to me, and wouldn't require the special BMW puller.

So my question is....Is there a way to simply unbolt/install the complete bracket without dropping the subframe, removing ball joints, etc? Haven;t seen this asked yet,

Thanks!!


 
Reply
Old May 7, 2009 | 09:47 AM
  #2  
JAB 67's Avatar
JAB 67
6th Gear
15 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,659
Likes: 60
From: Fairfax, VA
It can be done without completely removing the subframe, but you have to remove the bolts (# 3 in the diagram) then lower just the back. Still requires some gymnastics to remove to the bolts that hold the LCA bushing carrier.
 
Reply
Old May 7, 2009 | 12:58 PM
  #3  
MINIGURU@WAY MOTOR WORKS's Avatar
MINIGURU@WAY MOTOR WORKS
Vendor
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,152
Likes: 1
From: Atlanta/Indianapolis
You have to pull the subframe down, no way around it. But you can get away with only pulling it down part way, but you have to be carefull not to damage the P/S lines.

If you want the Powerflex bushings we offer them already pressed into brackets. Just call and we will set up the core return with you.
 
__________________
www.WayMotorWorks.com 2006 & 2007 NAMCC Overall Champion
Alta,M7,Helix,Wilwood,H-sport,Milltek,CROSS,Craven,DDM,H&R,Megan,Carbotech,EBC,Forge,TSW,Powerflex

Last edited by MINIGURU@WAY MOTOR WORKS; Jan 6, 2011 at 08:36 AM.
Reply
Old May 10, 2009 | 10:02 AM
  #4  
Turd Furgasun's Avatar
Turd Furgasun
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Thanks!

I actually picked up the parts from the local BMW dealer... I'm in Canada and all prices evened out after considering the exchange/shipping costs, and a bit of bartering. I am also hesitant about the Powerflex bushings based on what I've read. But I now have 2 sets of brackets, I'm thinking this will be a common repair item with the potholes in the city.

Back to the questions... It sounds like I can simply remove/loosen the rear subframe bolts, which will provide clearance to get a wrench in there. How much play is there before I need to worry about Steering/PS lines, etc.?

Sorry for the dumb questions. I've found that there's just something about these cars that doesn't play friendly with the weekend mechanic. This sounds too easy, so must I be missing something.
 

Last edited by Turd Furgasun; May 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM. Reason: Poor grammer and sentence structure.
Reply
Old May 10, 2009 | 11:09 AM
  #5  
k-huevo's Avatar
k-huevo
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,629
Likes: 7
From: Pipe Creek, Texas
The bolts in the bushing carrier bracket require 122 ft-lb torque to secure. There’s not much room for leverage by only loosening the subframe to body bolts. For the first time you do this, drop the subframe and roll it out, if you can see a better way fine, you’ll be prepared for the second time the bushings need replacement. Don’t forget the bushing carrier bracket to body bolt is a single use, use a new bolt, tighten last to 44 ft-lb + 90 degrees. It is a common mistake to think all the bolts are 74 ft-lb and then strip or break those two.
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2009 | 12:35 PM
  #6  
pmfranke's Avatar
pmfranke
2nd Gear
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
which bolts

yes I am stupid but which bolts need what torques ? the nice picture of the sub frame has numbers to the bolts . I would hate to strip any of those bolts. 122ftlbs is a lot of torque. I also wonder if anybody has gone from the alta system back to powerflex bushing or even back to stock,because of noise or vibration
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2009 | 12:43 PM
  #7  
pmfranke's Avatar
pmfranke
2nd Gear
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
alta's bushing

Oh.I also wonder If added castor from alta's solid bushing causes too much stress on the electric power steering motor?
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2009 | 03:20 PM
  #8  
k-huevo's Avatar
k-huevo
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,629
Likes: 7
From: Pipe Creek, Texas
I used the poly bushings and returned to OE rubber; I like rubber better. The bolts I mentioned with the torque angle spec, #11 in the diagram above. A how-to https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...g-install.html . I do this often and I've fabricated a tool for removing and installing the arm from the OE bushing; a long arm three claw puller can also perform the task.
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2009 | 06:24 PM
  #9  
frenchie's Avatar
frenchie
4th Gear
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 337
Likes: 5
From: NJ
Originally Posted by k-huevo
I used the poly bushings and returned to OE rubber; I like rubber better. The bolts I mentioned with the torque angle spec, #11 in the diagram above. A how-to https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...g-install.html . I do this often and I've fabricated a tool for removing and installing the arm from the OE bushing; a long arm three claw puller can also perform the task.
If you get a a chance can you show us a picture of your tool?
 
Reply
Old May 10, 2009 | 07:21 PM
  #10  
Dex05S's Avatar
Dex05S
3rd Gear
15 Year Member
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 172
Likes: 1
From: Valley Grande, Al.
Originally Posted by Turd Furgasun
I know.... another thread. But I've searched all 100 of these and this one's different!

I can buy a new Bushing WITH the bracket for $53.95 (#7&8 below), compared to just the bushing @ $46.95 (bavauto.com). Makes sense to me, and wouldn't require the special BMW puller.

So my question is....Is there a way to simply unbolt/install the complete bracket without dropping the subframe, removing ball joints, etc? Haven;t seen this asked yet,

Thanks!!



if you don't mind my asking, what lead you to discover the worn LCA bushing? I have a mysterious shimmy in my steering wheel that resembles a front wheel out of balance, but I know for certain it is not the wheels/tires. I haven't had a chance yet to get the car up to search. I just happened across your thread and wondered could my problem be something similar. Even better. this shimmy is intermittent.
 
Reply
Old May 11, 2009 | 10:49 AM
  #11  
PenelopeG3's Avatar
PenelopeG3
4th Gear
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 576
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area CA
Originally Posted by frenchie
If you get a a chance can you show us a picture of your tool?

Its in his thread. Click the link.
 
Reply
Old May 11, 2009 | 11:34 AM
  #12  
k-huevo's Avatar
k-huevo
6th Gear
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,629
Likes: 7
From: Pipe Creek, Texas
I now do things a little differently than what I showed in the how-to, for instance, I remove the bracket and arm from the subframe, do the arm R&R on a table with the tool shown in the attachment, and the bushing R&R in a bench vise with the OEM tool. I designed the helper tool to be used with the subframe on the vehicle, but since I do the job on my back I found it easier for me to drop the subframe, instead of pulling the drive shafts, dealing with that cumbersome thirty pound tool, and awkward position required to R&R the bushing using the OEM tool while under the body (lots of quarter turn ratcheting followed by an open-end wrench).

The reason I pull the driveshaft is to remove the inner ball joint bracket’s forward bolt, the rear bolt can be reached, but the driveshaft boot blocks the other bolt. There is one NAM member I know who only loosens that bolt an inch and is able to R&R the arm from/to the bushing; I’ve had mixed results from that method, and I can’t do a good health check of the inner ball joint with it dangling like that.
 
Attached Thumbnails Front Lower Control Arm Bushing Replacement-dscn1211.jpg  

Last edited by k-huevo; May 11, 2009 at 12:09 PM.
Reply
Old May 11, 2009 | 07:30 PM
  #13  
pmfranke's Avatar
pmfranke
2nd Gear
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
I have a big brake kit and 50000 miles,a lot of track time and solo 1. so i knew the bush would be bad but I jacked up the front end and with the wheels off the ground i coulld push the wheel back over an inch. pasenger side was worse than driver side. also had more tire wear on the pasenger side. It's time to go poly i think. thanks for the great pictures on the other thread. K-huevo , thank you. any thoughts on steering motor stress with alta castor increase?
 
Reply
Old Aug 27, 2009 | 05:57 PM
  #14  
norm03s's Avatar
norm03s
6th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,808
Likes: 2
From: Ellicott City, Maryland USA
Anyone have recommendations or tips not included here; http://www.outmotoring.com/images/ho..._PSRS_gen1.pdf
 
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2010 | 08:46 AM
  #15  
cpayne's Avatar
cpayne
4th Gear
15 Year Member
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 350
Likes: 4
From: Westminster, CO
Is this what the sound is like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVH4Sy-s2PE

I get this going forward and backwards alternating. Quite audible and can feel it too esp. at slow speeds. Will not happen if don't go the opposite direction 1st. Thus dont hear it under normal driving conditions. Only after say going in reverse then forward again and vice-versa.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Toolman
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
8
Jan 20, 2016 06:50 AM
maestro39
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
3
Oct 27, 2015 02:38 PM
JPMontes3
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
3
Aug 23, 2015 01:26 AM
Minibeagle
Stock Problems/Issues
6
Aug 13, 2015 10:00 AM
OutMotoring
Vendor Announcements
0
Aug 6, 2015 09:32 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:22 AM.