Originally Posted by Edge

Machines don't discriminate.

Originally Posted by Edge

Perhaps after the holiday break, the entire admin team will look at the word blocks and tidy it up a bit.

Originally Posted by Motor On

First off it's *a single thread* and here's the link to it https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ml#post2603209
Tough yes I've locked others. Ohhh, and the one you took issue to was locked for the explicit street racing not the insinuated claim of 6800RPM in 3rd in a 45MPH zone which is roughly 90-98MPH in a 45MPH zone. And strike was issued for street racing, not street racing speeding and respect guidelines violations. It was Christmas eve and I was excersing my prerogative toward judgment. Even though the OP state he knew he wasn't allowed to post such street racing accounts.

Second it wasn't personal, and when I moderate it never is. (and that's why I've sat on your PM for a few days now, so that I could respond in a calm manner, however you decided patience wasn't that important I guess.)

Third, I'm an administrator not a moderator

Fourth, my avatar (not my signature) is of 153 not 150 MPH. And its a photo that was cleared for me to post loooooong (in excess of one if not two years) before I was a moderator.

Fifth, it isn't of a speed the MINI is even capable of. It's about as accurate as saying warp 5, it's called satire. The car is governed electronically to 134MPH and with that remove tops out at 142MPH and that's with engine upgrades. Do you believe the MINI is capable if it said 200MPH? 250MPH? 350MPH? 750MPH? Mach 3? 342453898320389048950MPH? Warp 5? Again it's a judgment thing. I try to use common sense, and to me that means if every MINI brochure and most of the first gen reviews and all of the posts from the autobahn and tracks here say the car tops out at a certain point well something that's a good chunk of the speedometer past that doesn't seem realistic to me, and quite a few other people for that matter. My car currently idles at 8k RPM and at 30-50MPH I'm already seeing 10-14kRPM (needle splitting the digital speed reading right down the middle) the MINI is know to float a valve at 8k RPM, should I be believing my tach implicitly?

Sixth, the guidelines don't say talking about speed is prohibited, they say talking about excessive speed on public roads is prohibited. Notice your posts about drag racing on a TRACK stayed there just fine and you have not been issued strikes for posting those. There's been several threads talking about speed and tops speeds and how fast one can reach on the track or derestricted sections of the autobahn that have been allowed to continue. In fact I encourage them and throw in my experience of hitting 130 before looking up to watch for my next apex at Sebring intl. raceway. And I encourage people to participate in tack days and learn about and have fun with their cars in a safe manner.

Seventh, the car was sitting still in my driveway with the engine off. Press the trip button, turn the key while holding it and you'll get into some computer functions, function 2 is a gauge test, it spins the needles all the way round, while flashing all of your dash lights, I snapped a photo. I was traveling all of 0MPH sitting on my driveway (not a public road BTW). If you search for it there's a few threads explaining this feature and this photo has been posted several times, along with several other people's photos. The thread that I locked, the OP said he was on the street, and said he was racing a random car of "teenagers" (as a whole the most inexperienced drivers out there, so statistically the most likely to make a mistake and cause an accident) and did so with a decent amount of cursing, hence the edit, or I'd have let it stand altogether as an example of what not to post.

Eighth, the guidelines are there for legal and community purposes. They we're there long before IB ever showed up on NAM, the have nothing to do with vendors, they have nothing to do with money (aside from legal protection so the site isn't open to getting shut down from a lawsuit) Those vendors I'm sure will encourage you to use those products responsibly. Darwinism doesn't create much repeat business Many of us around here see the track (even at least two of the admins) and there's an entire forum dedicated to track discussion.

Ninth, it's ironic, the thread asking for stricter rules, and the first page already is complaining they're too strict.

Ludicrous speed, it's satire, it's humor and it's an admin being educated and understanding and using judgment. There's always going to be someone to complain, it's the nature of large groups, it's really too bad that the Kudos given to all the mods, are overshadowed by the complaints here. It all boils down to individual judgment calls about just where the lines in the sand are. But if the community would prefer it I can take the photo down and be heavy handed with anything indicating anything hint over the speed limit. I'm not opposed to legitimate and reasonable change, to reflect the state of the community.

Originally Posted by MLPearson79

You're overreaching here. I've seen one of the threads in question and the post originally flagged clearly was discussing extremely high speeds on the ROAD, not a track (unless you regularly stop at a gas station at the track??).

In addition, when a moderator noted the thread was "close" to being locked, personal attacks started.

The other blatantly discussed street racing, and even included vulgarity

The guidelines are what they are, they were broken, and the thread was locked. Not exactly rocket science. Instead of attacking the mod, perhaps a smarter approach would have been say "of course, on the track only". Then rules are not broken, no infractions would have been given, and the thread could have carried on (the legal parts of which were actually interesting).

ALL of these site guidelines were broken over the course of these two threads:



I don't know how you expect them to not be either edited or locked under those circumstances.

Originally Posted by Fatherdeth

Can I report this as a possible stalking? I think she truly likes to debate with me.

Originally Posted by MLPearson79

Yeah I actually debated whether or not I was going to respond because it was YOU! But both debates really had nothing to do with you, other than you happened to express an opinion both times

Originally Posted by Edge

Machines don't discriminate. I thought it was stupid too when I saw it. I sure didn't add that one to the dictionary, and I agree it can probably be removed. Perhaps after the holiday break, the entire admin team will look at the word blocks and tidy it up a bit.