Race 2 Sebring results
The students had 3 and 3/4 sessions, the racers seemed (but I'm not sure) to have 1 session then qualifing one race (mixed with NASA) then there was some TTs after ward. in between the racer and student sessions there were NASA group two and three HD sessions.
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Hey guys,
We are still making our way back to Denver, which is why nothing has been posted by either of us. I am at my parent’s house in Houston right now, and plan on making it back by tomorrow night.
To answer some questions,
The racers had one practice season, one qualifying session, and the race in the afternoon. Each session was 25 minutes (7-8 laps), as was the race. Not very much time to learn the track. I was still trying to figure out the 17 turns on the last lap of the race
. Following the Brumos Porsche for a little while helped.
Since I was the only entry in my class, my only goal was to finish. I played with Waylen (Which was a lot of fun) and the CRX's for the majority of the race, but ended up cording a tire towards the end, so I layed off in order to finish the race. Not the best of luck for us at Webb this past weekend, but we are still ahead in the points. We will be posting some results from the race when we get to Colorado.
This was my third wheel-to-wheel race ever, first with over 12 cars. It was a totally new experience having 20 some odd cars going 110 down the front straight at Sebring, inches from each other, all trying to get in front of each other for turn one. I have to say the start was one of the best experiences of my life (always feels good overtaking 3 lines of cars right off the bat). It was also good to meet all of you MINI folk in Florida, and had a great time talking with Steve, Aranha, Brian, and Waylen. Hope to see you all in St. Louis, and I hope more MINIs make it to the races. Not as much fun when you know your going to take first before you even start the race
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-Brian
We are still making our way back to Denver, which is why nothing has been posted by either of us. I am at my parent’s house in Houston right now, and plan on making it back by tomorrow night.
To answer some questions,
The racers had one practice season, one qualifying session, and the race in the afternoon. Each session was 25 minutes (7-8 laps), as was the race. Not very much time to learn the track. I was still trying to figure out the 17 turns on the last lap of the race
. Following the Brumos Porsche for a little while helped. Since I was the only entry in my class, my only goal was to finish. I played with Waylen (Which was a lot of fun) and the CRX's for the majority of the race, but ended up cording a tire towards the end, so I layed off in order to finish the race. Not the best of luck for us at Webb this past weekend, but we are still ahead in the points. We will be posting some results from the race when we get to Colorado.
This was my third wheel-to-wheel race ever, first with over 12 cars. It was a totally new experience having 20 some odd cars going 110 down the front straight at Sebring, inches from each other, all trying to get in front of each other for turn one. I have to say the start was one of the best experiences of my life (always feels good overtaking 3 lines of cars right off the bat). It was also good to meet all of you MINI folk in Florida, and had a great time talking with Steve, Aranha, Brian, and Waylen. Hope to see you all in St. Louis, and I hope more MINIs make it to the races. Not as much fun when you know your going to take first before you even start the race
. -Brian
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Video & pics
Originally Posted by onasled
Nice job Steve. Looking forward to pics andmostly the Video.Hopefully Randy will share his also. 
I've got plenty of video...warm-up, qualifying & race. Jason took several shots with my camera but it went back to Louisiana in the trailer.
Otherwise, I would have posted some by now.
Regards,
Steve
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Madness equipped
Originally Posted by ingsoc
Congrats Paulo! So, is your car really Madness equipped? What class do you run in? I am no expert, but I didn't think there were any that allowed significant mods, like a head port, IC, and reduction pulley, for instance. So, do you have other Madness parts? If you're not running a reduction pulley, etc., then that's pretty freakin amazing that you were outrunning the Webb car! Either way, sweet stuff, man. Wish I coulda been out to see it!
Hello there, my car is prepared to the D-Modified rules in BMWCCA club racing. The class is for cars with engine displacements ranging from 2200cc to 2985cc. The mini falls in around 2400cc with the forced induction penalty.The good news about the class is that you can do just about anything, there fore you have to get radical to beat some of the 6 cyl. Beemers.
George, from Mini-Madness has been instrumental in providing equipment that has proven itself in the results I have acheived during the past three years of racing. He has also jumped to the rescue many times when we needed a part urgently during a race weeked.
Not only is the car competitive, it has been extremely reliable with almost 10,000 miles of racing.
Sincerely,
Steve
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Originally Posted by MarkC
Congrat's Steve sounds like you had a great drive.
Look forward to the pictures and video!!
Look forward to the pictures and video!!
Thanks, it was fun.Wish there had been more Minis.
Steve
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It was a great event, just wish there were more cars!
This was an interesting race - I REALLY wish we could've raced, but it was good to have real competition. Steve's car was prepped by him and a couple others, using some handcrafted parts, and some from Madness. It was extremely lightweight, which I think really helped at this long track.
The interesting part for me was going to be tire performance. We have seen this in the past during Spec Miata racing. Steve was running Hoosiers, and we were running Toyos. The Hoosiers always do better in qualifying, but don't always hold up for the race.
I noted that Steve mentioned that I was always 5 car lengths back for the first lap - but that's not quite accurate. During the first lap, when the tires were good for Steve, I was inside the car in turn one, then backed off. I again was close into turn 16, and kept that until turn 17 under the bridge when I was alongside Steve. He was able to close the door because the car shut off. I believe he missed a shift going into 17, or he braked quite a bit earlier than I did - as I was able to pull quite a bit under the bridge until the fuel pump relay was disconnected. It took a few minutes to figure out what had happened, then we tore off and tried to just keep running in the hopes something would happen and Steve would have to back off. He held it together though! The funny thing is that I had the relays duct taped, and still managed to kick them off!
The interesting thing was the race lap times - Steve's best lap time was less than .2 seconds better than our best lap time. That's something I'm pretty happy with considering the Hoosier early lap advantage - they are usually more than 4 tenths slower by the end of a race in our experience (I've run both tires). We were consistently running 2:36 through the entire race. For comparison, our qualifying time was a 2:38!! I can't get Steve's times as mylaps.com doesn't have times for the event in Sebring, but maybe he has them and can share how he did throughout the event.
We did all this on one corded tire! Needless to say, I am confident with the car's ability to continue winning. Brian ended up winning in his lone car class, again with a destroyed tire - significantly worse than corded. It seems Vegas was much harder on the tires than we thought. The tires I used on the Mule were the same from Second Creek, Laguna Seca, Vegas, Pueblo and Sebring.
I saw that George said Steve was running the CAI with cowl mod - that's one hell of a cowl mod! He actually has a silicone tube from the throttle body to the headlight area, and runs the headlight opening directly to the filter. It does look like the Madness filter element though. In all, I was VERY impressed with Steve's car. They took the time to do quite a bit of development, including a slick rear diffuser. The car is obviously well sorted from a few years of racing. We look forward to the competition from Steve and hopefully others at St. Louis! We need more cars - so come out and compete if you have a race legal MINI.
I believe we are still ahead in the points, and we will certainly try to continue that trend!
In other good news, we are developing several products based on our racing experiences. We have a belt guard, a relay cover in development, and a few aero bits all coming to market. Stay tuned!!
Thanks to Steve for making this a fun event, and I really look forward to running with you again at Gateway - Sebring was a pleasure.
Randy
This was an interesting race - I REALLY wish we could've raced, but it was good to have real competition. Steve's car was prepped by him and a couple others, using some handcrafted parts, and some from Madness. It was extremely lightweight, which I think really helped at this long track.
The interesting part for me was going to be tire performance. We have seen this in the past during Spec Miata racing. Steve was running Hoosiers, and we were running Toyos. The Hoosiers always do better in qualifying, but don't always hold up for the race.
I noted that Steve mentioned that I was always 5 car lengths back for the first lap - but that's not quite accurate. During the first lap, when the tires were good for Steve, I was inside the car in turn one, then backed off. I again was close into turn 16, and kept that until turn 17 under the bridge when I was alongside Steve. He was able to close the door because the car shut off. I believe he missed a shift going into 17, or he braked quite a bit earlier than I did - as I was able to pull quite a bit under the bridge until the fuel pump relay was disconnected. It took a few minutes to figure out what had happened, then we tore off and tried to just keep running in the hopes something would happen and Steve would have to back off. He held it together though! The funny thing is that I had the relays duct taped, and still managed to kick them off!
The interesting thing was the race lap times - Steve's best lap time was less than .2 seconds better than our best lap time. That's something I'm pretty happy with considering the Hoosier early lap advantage - they are usually more than 4 tenths slower by the end of a race in our experience (I've run both tires). We were consistently running 2:36 through the entire race. For comparison, our qualifying time was a 2:38!! I can't get Steve's times as mylaps.com doesn't have times for the event in Sebring, but maybe he has them and can share how he did throughout the event.
We did all this on one corded tire! Needless to say, I am confident with the car's ability to continue winning. Brian ended up winning in his lone car class, again with a destroyed tire - significantly worse than corded. It seems Vegas was much harder on the tires than we thought. The tires I used on the Mule were the same from Second Creek, Laguna Seca, Vegas, Pueblo and Sebring.
I saw that George said Steve was running the CAI with cowl mod - that's one hell of a cowl mod!
He actually has a silicone tube from the throttle body to the headlight area, and runs the headlight opening directly to the filter. It does look like the Madness filter element though. In all, I was VERY impressed with Steve's car. They took the time to do quite a bit of development, including a slick rear diffuser. The car is obviously well sorted from a few years of racing. We look forward to the competition from Steve and hopefully others at St. Louis! We need more cars - so come out and compete if you have a race legal MINI.I believe we are still ahead in the points, and we will certainly try to continue that trend!
In other good news, we are developing several products based on our racing experiences. We have a belt guard, a relay cover in development, and a few aero bits all coming to market. Stay tuned!!
Thanks to Steve for making this a fun event, and I really look forward to running with you again at Gateway - Sebring was a pleasure.
Randy
Last edited by RandyBMC; Apr 6, 2006 at 10:05 AM.
Good post Randy, thanks..
You guys got me peeing in my pants here...
I do hope to make at least one race this year with Wicks, so you guys can show me the fast way around the track. Sounds like you and Steve will have some great racing ahead.
You guys got me peeing in my pants here...
I do hope to make at least one race this year with Wicks, so you guys can show me the fast way around the track. Sounds like you and Steve will have some great racing ahead.
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Lap times are here!
Looks like "my laps" has the official times, here they are...
Race: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287795
Qualifing: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287794
Practice: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287793
Race: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287795
Qualifing: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287794
Practice: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287793
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Lap times at Sebring
Originally Posted by MINI-Madness
Looks like "my laps" has the official times, here they are...
Race: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287795
Qualifing: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287794
Practice: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287793
Race: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287795
Qualifing: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287794
Practice: http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=287793
Disregard lap times from practice/warm-up, they are all incorrect due to a problem they had at timing & scoring...I passed all the other Minis during the practice including Randy. Qualifying and race are correct.Steve
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Originally Posted by onasled
Good post Randy, thanks..
You guys got me peeing in my pants here... I do hope to make at least one race this year with Wicks, so you guys can show me the fast way around the track. Sounds like you and Steve will have some great racing ahead.
You guys got me peeing in my pants here...
I do hope to make at least one race this year with Wicks, so you guys can show me the fast way around the track. Sounds like you and Steve will have some great racing ahead.Glad to see that Steve will indeed provide some healthy competiton for Randy!!!
As a MINI enthusiast, it's really nice to not only see the MINI's excelling on the track, but these parts tested in an environment that many of us will never experience. Kudos to you guys!!!
. And for you Randy Webb... even more so because you are a one man show: designer and vendor of MINI performance goodies, tuner, chief mechanic, and the driver as well. You and your car represent Webb Motorsports well!A safe and competitive season to all participants...
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Great runs from everyone from what I see.
The times are incredibly close too and that shows some good driving and car prep! Sebring can be deceptive; its length can make times seem much greater than they really are. Running within about 1.5s on such a long track is well under a second on a more normal length track. Close racing is great!
Now go out and get some more competitors!
The times are incredibly close too and that shows some good driving and car prep! Sebring can be deceptive; its length can make times seem much greater than they really are. Running within about 1.5s on such a long track is well under a second on a more normal length track. Close racing is great!
Now go out and get some more competitors!
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Tires....
Originally Posted by RandyBMC
It was a great event, just wish there were more cars!
This was an interesting race - I REALLY wish we could've raced, but it was good to have real competition. Steve's car was prepped by him and a couple others, using some handcrafted parts, and some from Madness. It was extremely lightweight, which I think really helped at this long track.
The interesting part for me was going to be tire performance. We have seen this in the past during Spec Miata racing. Steve was running Hoosiers, and we were running Toyos. The Hoosiers always do better in qualifying, but don't always hold up for the race.
I noted that Steve mentioned that I was always 5 car lengths back for the first lap - but that's not quite accurate. During the first lap, when the tires were good for Steve, I was inside the car in turn one, then backed off. I again was close into turn 16, and kept that until turn 17 under the bridge when I was alongside Steve. He was able to close the door because the car shut off. I believe he missed a shift going into 17, or he braked quite a bit earlier than I did - as I was able to pull quite a bit under the bridge until the fuel pump relay was disconnected. It took a few minutes to figure out what had happened, then we tore off and tried to just keep running in the hopes something would happen and Steve would have to back off. He held it together though! The funny thing is that I had the relays duct taped, and still managed to kick them off!
The interesting thing was the race lap times - Steve's best lap time was less than .2 seconds better than our best lap time. That's something I'm pretty happy with considering the Hoosier early lap advantage - they are usually more than 4 tenths slower by the end of a race in our experience (I've run both tires). We were consistently running 2:36 through the entire race. For comparison, our qualifying time was a 2:38!! I can't get Steve's times as mylaps.com doesn't have times for the event in Sebring, but maybe he has them and can share how he did throughout the event.
We did all this on one corded tire! Needless to say, I am confident with the car's ability to continue winning. Brian ended up winning in his lone car class, again with a destroyed tire - significantly worse than corded. It seems Vegas was much harder on the tires than we thought. The tires I used on the Mule were the same from Second Creek, Laguna Seca, Vegas, Pueblo and Sebring.
I saw that George said Steve was running the CAI with cowl mod - that's one hell of a cowl mod! He actually has a silicone tube from the throttle body to the headlight area, and runs the headlight opening directly to the filter. It does look like the Madness filter element though. In all, I was VERY impressed with Steve's car. They took the time to do quite a bit of development, including a slick rear diffuser. The car is obviously well sorted from a few years of racing. We look forward to the competition from Steve and hopefully others at St. Louis! We need more cars - so come out and compete if you have a race legal MINI.
I believe we are still ahead in the points, and we will certainly try to continue that trend!
In other good news, we are developing several products based on our racing experiences. We have a belt guard, a relay cover in development, and a few aero bits all coming to market. Stay tuned!!
Thanks to Steve for making this a fun event, and I really look forward to running with you again at Gateway - Sebring was a pleasure.
Randy
This was an interesting race - I REALLY wish we could've raced, but it was good to have real competition. Steve's car was prepped by him and a couple others, using some handcrafted parts, and some from Madness. It was extremely lightweight, which I think really helped at this long track.
The interesting part for me was going to be tire performance. We have seen this in the past during Spec Miata racing. Steve was running Hoosiers, and we were running Toyos. The Hoosiers always do better in qualifying, but don't always hold up for the race.
I noted that Steve mentioned that I was always 5 car lengths back for the first lap - but that's not quite accurate. During the first lap, when the tires were good for Steve, I was inside the car in turn one, then backed off. I again was close into turn 16, and kept that until turn 17 under the bridge when I was alongside Steve. He was able to close the door because the car shut off. I believe he missed a shift going into 17, or he braked quite a bit earlier than I did - as I was able to pull quite a bit under the bridge until the fuel pump relay was disconnected. It took a few minutes to figure out what had happened, then we tore off and tried to just keep running in the hopes something would happen and Steve would have to back off. He held it together though! The funny thing is that I had the relays duct taped, and still managed to kick them off!
The interesting thing was the race lap times - Steve's best lap time was less than .2 seconds better than our best lap time. That's something I'm pretty happy with considering the Hoosier early lap advantage - they are usually more than 4 tenths slower by the end of a race in our experience (I've run both tires). We were consistently running 2:36 through the entire race. For comparison, our qualifying time was a 2:38!! I can't get Steve's times as mylaps.com doesn't have times for the event in Sebring, but maybe he has them and can share how he did throughout the event.
We did all this on one corded tire! Needless to say, I am confident with the car's ability to continue winning. Brian ended up winning in his lone car class, again with a destroyed tire - significantly worse than corded. It seems Vegas was much harder on the tires than we thought. The tires I used on the Mule were the same from Second Creek, Laguna Seca, Vegas, Pueblo and Sebring.
I saw that George said Steve was running the CAI with cowl mod - that's one hell of a cowl mod!
He actually has a silicone tube from the throttle body to the headlight area, and runs the headlight opening directly to the filter. It does look like the Madness filter element though. In all, I was VERY impressed with Steve's car. They took the time to do quite a bit of development, including a slick rear diffuser. The car is obviously well sorted from a few years of racing. We look forward to the competition from Steve and hopefully others at St. Louis! We need more cars - so come out and compete if you have a race legal MINI.I believe we are still ahead in the points, and we will certainly try to continue that trend!
In other good news, we are developing several products based on our racing experiences. We have a belt guard, a relay cover in development, and a few aero bits all coming to market. Stay tuned!!
Thanks to Steve for making this a fun event, and I really look forward to running with you again at Gateway - Sebring was a pleasure.
Randy
Yes Randy, I was using Hoosiers...old ones at that that I raced a 30min. sprint and an one hoyr enduro with Jason last December at Roebling Road.Since you concerned with the state of your Toyo's I didn't even bothewr using my brand new Hosiers I had in the trailer.
As you recall, I offered you or to Brian the use of some Kuhmos as well as some Hoosier slicks I had available. The old hoosiers I used seemed to still have good grip. I have used the Toyos many times and liked them because they seem to last a bit longer however I think the Hoosiers are still faster.
Steve
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Sebring race video
As promised here are the videos. Some are a bit shakey due to the track surface and Steve's car setup.
All movies are encoded with Apples Quicktime 7. If you don't have quicktime you can download it here: "quicktime download"
Practice Session (most fun to watch)
Qualifying Session
Race
All movies are encoded with Apples Quicktime 7. If you don't have quicktime you can download it here: "quicktime download"
Practice Session (most fun to watch)
Qualifying Session
Race