1st Gen Countryman (R60) Talk (2010-2015) R60 Countryman Discussions

R60 Any options to improve CM headlights (non-xenon)?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 16, 2012 | 11:12 AM
  #1  
RingSteel's Avatar
RingSteel
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
Any options to improve CM headlights (non-xenon)?

We picked up a CM off the lot, and it doesn't have the xenon headlights. I thought it would still be ok, but I admit that the headlights aren't as bright as I'd like them to be.

Has anyone tried better bulbs, or any other options to improve the headlights? What bulb does the CM take?
 
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2012 | 11:31 AM
  #2  
ghamma's Avatar
ghamma
5th Gear
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,033
Likes: 1
From: SF Bay Area
Take a look at:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...ifference.html

 
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2012 | 12:02 PM
  #3  
DneprDave's Avatar
DneprDave
6th Gear
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 3,260
Likes: 87
From: Pacific NW
You could add driving lights.

Dave
 
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2012 | 12:09 PM
  #4  
52804x4's Avatar
52804x4
5th Gear
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 668
Likes: 1
From: Lone Tree, CO.
there are HID upgrade kits for just about every vehicle out there. Find out which bulb it is and start googleing!

Good place to start... http://www.hidxenonlights.com/
 
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2012 | 12:31 PM
  #5  
Zuman's Avatar
Zuman
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 85
Likes: 1
I spent a month researching lighting upgrades when I was looking for a used R60 because preowned xenon All4s are few and far between. I was lucky and found the car I wanted, but the most knowledgeable person I found was Daniel Stern of Daniel Stern Lighting. To go to his website just put a dot com at the end of that company name.
He's very experienced and a nice guy. Just send him an email and outline your specific circumstances and he'll get back to you in a few days. However, he's not a fan of aftermarket HID kits...
 
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2012 | 12:58 PM
  #6  
y8s's Avatar
y8s
4th Gear
10 Year Member
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 485
Likes: 18
From: DC Metro
Before getting HID upgrade kits for many dollars, I'd start with a reputable bulb manufacturer's brighter bulb. Forget anything you can buy at any auto parts chain--they aren't better.

The ones I would suggest are the OSRAM Silverstar (absolutely not to be confused with Sylvania Silverstar!) +50% lamps. They are still 55W but output 50% more light (allegedly). They are also the same color temperature as standard halogens (3200K) instead of "whiter/bluer" (4000k). They're reasonably priced and the ones I have in my 2001 miata projectors have last many years. Just be sure to handle them with a clean paper towel to keep fingerprints off them.

Also, you might be able to find Philips equivalent. I believe they are called "VisionPlus" and should have similar specs (+50%, NOT whiter).

I've purchased them a few times from www.suvlights.com but their site appears to be undergoing maintenance at the moment.

Matt
 
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2012 | 01:29 PM
  #7  
Leader's Avatar
Leader
3rd Gear
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 194
Likes: 1
From: Los Angeles
I was the original poster in the thread referenced by ghamma above (in my former identity).

Most aftermarket Halogen replacement bulbs are off the Kelvin scale temperature-wise, leaving your MINI looking like a high-schooler's Honda Civic with blindingly blue headlights.

Sadly, the HID replacement kits are generally even worse, and don't play well with our cars' brains.

The reality is - Halogen headlights will never be as bright or as powerful as the MINI's Xenons. However, the replacement Sylvania Silverstar Ultra H13 (9008) bulbs I put in are a noticeable improvement.

I had Xenons on my R56, and I loved 'em. When I bought my Countryman S "off the lot" last November, it had pretty much everything I wanted (less Xenons), so I "settled" for Halogens. It wasn't a deal-breaker for me.

Others here have said the Sylvania's don't last very long. I haven't had mine long enough to give that a fair test.
 
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2012 | 02:38 PM
  #8  
RingSteel's Avatar
RingSteel
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
I've asked Daniel Stern for some guidance; thanks for the tip!

I'm looking to see if I can find quality H13 bulbs that are higher wattage than the standard 65/50 now.
 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 08:48 AM
  #9  
Karrock's Avatar
Karrock
4th Gear
10 Year Member
Liked
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 441
Likes: 22
From: Northern VA
I used Sylvania SilverStars in two of my previous non-Xenon autos -- loved em, especially for the brighter output -- but be prepared to pay a little more and have a shorter lifespan.

http://www.sylvania.com/en-us/produc...ce-series.aspx
 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 11:53 AM
  #10  
friscobiscuit's Avatar
friscobiscuit
2nd Gear
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
I'm good with my halogens...... Sorry; I don't get a thrill out of $500 extra lights. The "inferior" lighting of halogens don't bother me in the least. But it's OK if others need the xenons, but I don't.
 
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2012 | 12:29 PM
  #11  
DneprDave's Avatar
DneprDave
6th Gear
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 3,260
Likes: 87
From: Pacific NW
There is also an old trick that RAF pilots used. They ate toast with blueberry jam before night flights. It turns out that there is a chemical in blueberries that improves your night vision!

Dave
 
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2012 | 03:38 PM
  #12  
RingSteel's Avatar
RingSteel
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
I'm still researching bulb changes, but it's not looking like there are many options. I'll get some pics of the new bulbs installed for future reference.. right after I make my mind up which bulb to try.
 
Reply
Old Feb 23, 2012 | 09:27 PM
  #13  
RingSteel's Avatar
RingSteel
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
Ok, here is what NOT TO DO! Do not try the higher wattage H8 and H13 bulbs - because they are very low quality bulbs. Against all advice, I tried them. The beam pattern was unacceptable to me, and I took the bulbs out after 10 minutes.

Now I've ordered the Philips bulbs that Daniel Stern recommended.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00480KPLW/...60_cs_sce_dp_1

Hopefully these bulbs will be a positive experience. Pics to come of the difference the new bulbs make, if possible.
 
Attached Thumbnails Any options to improve CM headlights (non-xenon)?-p1000673-small-.jpg   Any options to improve CM headlights (non-xenon)?-p1000674-small-.jpg  
Reply
Old Feb 26, 2012 | 12:00 AM
  #14  
kaikai114's Avatar
kaikai114
2nd Gear
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 71
Likes: 1
From: Irvine, CA
Can someone explain why HID kit is not recommended? Even with a Canbus error correcting module, will it cause problems with our electrical system? Also, I notice with the standard halogen on our CM, there is a clean cutoff line, is that from the lightbulb itself, or from the reflecting housing?
 
Reply
Old Feb 26, 2012 | 07:25 AM
  #15  
RingSteel's Avatar
RingSteel
Thread Starter
|
Neutral
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
From: Houston, TX
Originally Posted by kaikai114
Can someone explain why HID kit is not recommended? Even with a Canbus error correcting module, will it cause problems with our electrical system? Also, I notice with the standard halogen on our CM, there is a clean cutoff line, is that from the lightbulb itself, or from the reflecting housing?

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html

I am not an expert by any means, but the above page is an excellent explanation about the subject.
 
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2012 | 06:00 PM
  #16  
thewalrus101's Avatar
thewalrus101
1st Gear
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
From: New York
I contacted Daniel Stern last week. Got a quick reply from him, recommending the Philips
bulbs which I picked up from Amazon for $31.48/pair. Installed them this afternoon and just took the CM out for a night spin. Definitely noticed an increase in brightness with the new bulbs....
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
igzekyativ
MINIs & Minis for Sale
34
Jul 16, 2020 12:54 PM
Mini Mania
Drivetrain Products
0
Aug 21, 2015 12:59 PM
Mini Mania
Drivetrain Products
0
Aug 21, 2015 11:25 AM
R53Mom
R50/R53 :: Hatch Talk (2002-2006)
4
Aug 17, 2015 01:38 PM
ECSTuning
Vendor Announcements
0
Aug 7, 2015 08:02 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:38 AM.