R56 R56 MCS in Road and Track Comparison Test
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Are you serious? Germans did NOT sink US convoy ships in the Atlantic. Germans did NOT kill thousands of Americans on D-Day? Germans did not kill thousands of Americans ... period?
Your arguement about the Japanese, IMO, sounds like a hypocrite. Its OK to hate Japanese cars because the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor but its "sounds like", MINIs are OK. It doesn't matter that its owned by a German company and made with German parts and the GERMANS killed many, many Americans in two world wars ... but that is OK, because you "like" your MINI.
I am sorry if this sounds harsh because its just an opinion but that logic makes no sense at all ...
and since this is totally OT on this thread and is borerlining on discussing politics ... i bow out now because I cannot understand your reasoning at all. It sounds like logic "convenient" to your choice of cars.
I am sorry and apoligize for sounding harsh.
Its just my opinion that I don't understand your logic. Its not meant to disrespect you or any serviceperson anywhere, anytime.
Your arguement about the Japanese, IMO, sounds like a hypocrite. Its OK to hate Japanese cars because the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor but its "sounds like", MINIs are OK. It doesn't matter that its owned by a German company and made with German parts and the GERMANS killed many, many Americans in two world wars ... but that is OK, because you "like" your MINI.
I am sorry if this sounds harsh because its just an opinion but that logic makes no sense at all ...
and since this is totally OT on this thread and is borerlining on discussing politics ... i bow out now because I cannot understand your reasoning at all. It sounds like logic "convenient" to your choice of cars.
I am sorry and apoligize for sounding harsh.
Its just my opinion that I don't understand your logic. Its not meant to disrespect you or any serviceperson anywhere, anytime.
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I was flipping through my copy of R&T and compared the R56 test with the summary at the back from when they looked at the 2004 JCW...
The 2007 Cooper S beat the 2004 JCW in every performance measure - acceleration, braking, cornering, slalom, etc.!
The 2007 Cooper S beat the 2004 JCW in every performance measure - acceleration, braking, cornering, slalom, etc.!
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Next generation should be an improvement. It should apply to everything in the universe, IMO. Survival of the fittest rules.
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Now we've manage to bring religion into it as well as politics.
I can't believe people are still talking about WWII in relation to comsuming products. I can recall Jewish friends who had issues with other Jews buying VWs and Mercedes, but that was forty years ago. The people building them had probably been involved in the war effort at that time. The people now building Japanese and German cars were probably born after the war.
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2,395 American were killed at Pearl Harbour
2,973 died in 9/11
Using your logic, many of the hijackers were Saudis ...
So I guess you better not be putting any gas in your MINI since it probably came from Saudi Arabia
Sorry, but your logic appears to me to be hypocratic (is that a word). I'm not thinking your going to change how you feel so I give up
This is OT and I apoligize to the OP
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Hypocritical.
You semantically undermine yourself by stating that the MS3 is out of your price range before flatly stating that you would not buy it because it is Japanese. Why make the former statement if the latter is an unequivocal rejection of the Japanese automotive industry? But let’s put all of your half-baked, illogical defense mechanisms aside for the following question. All myopic comments aside, are we to assume that if the MS3 were to cost significantly less than the Mini you would abandon your unfounded prejudice in exchange for the superior value of Japanese engineering? If so, what is the cost of your ‘patriotic’ bravado?
You semantically undermine yourself by stating that the MS3 is out of your price range before flatly stating that you would not buy it because it is Japanese. Why make the former statement if the latter is an unequivocal rejection of the Japanese automotive industry? But let’s put all of your half-baked, illogical defense mechanisms aside for the following question. All myopic comments aside, are we to assume that if the MS3 were to cost significantly less than the Mini you would abandon your unfounded prejudice in exchange for the superior value of Japanese engineering? If so, what is the cost of your ‘patriotic’ bravado?
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Sigh ... the German and the BRITS killed many, many Americans.
2,395 American were killed at Pearl Harbour
2,973 died in 9/11
Using your logic, many of the hijackers were Saudis ...
So I guess you better not be putting any gas in your MINI since it probably came from Saudi Arabia
Sorry, but your logic appears to me to be hypocratic (is that a word). I'm not thinking your going to change how you feel so I give up
This is OT and I apoligize to the OP
2,395 American were killed at Pearl Harbour
2,973 died in 9/11
Using your logic, many of the hijackers were Saudis ...
So I guess you better not be putting any gas in your MINI since it probably came from Saudi Arabia
Sorry, but your logic appears to me to be hypocratic (is that a word). I'm not thinking your going to change how you feel so I give up
This is OT and I apoligize to the OP
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Hypocritical.
You semantically undermine yourself by stating that the MS3 is out of your price range before flatly stating that you would not buy it because it is Japanese. Why make the former statement if the latter is an unequivocal rejection of the Japanese automotive industry? But let’s put all of your half-baked, illogical defense mechanisms aside for the following question. All myopic comments aside, are we to assume that if the MS3 were to cost significantly less than the Mini you would abandon your unfounded prejudice in exchange for the superior value of Japanese engineering? If so, what is the cost of your ‘patriotic’ bravado?
You semantically undermine yourself by stating that the MS3 is out of your price range before flatly stating that you would not buy it because it is Japanese. Why make the former statement if the latter is an unequivocal rejection of the Japanese automotive industry? But let’s put all of your half-baked, illogical defense mechanisms aside for the following question. All myopic comments aside, are we to assume that if the MS3 were to cost significantly less than the Mini you would abandon your unfounded prejudice in exchange for the superior value of Japanese engineering? If so, what is the cost of your ‘patriotic’ bravado?
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No one can make anyone do what they don't want to.
Best of Luck in your car acquisitions. ...
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I didn't see any mention in the article about use of the Sport button. Not an owner yet, but it seems it might make a difference in both their subjective and objective scoring.
In this review, they must have randomly grabbed a MCS. Unlike the other companies, MINI offers a la carte upgrades, and lots of them. They grabbed one with the Sport Package (fine), but why the $300 MFSW and $100 rear fog lights (lame)? This hurts the price/value equation without adding much of anything to the subjective score. Seems to me that LSD and sport suspension might have made a diff in the objective scores, for little loss in the price/value equation.
They should have spec'ed their test MCS for performance, within the realm of the manufacturer's offerings. Until run-flats are optional, you can't expect them to do an aftermarket mod for their test.
In this review, they must have randomly grabbed a MCS. Unlike the other companies, MINI offers a la carte upgrades, and lots of them. They grabbed one with the Sport Package (fine), but why the $300 MFSW and $100 rear fog lights (lame)? This hurts the price/value equation without adding much of anything to the subjective score. Seems to me that LSD and sport suspension might have made a diff in the objective scores, for little loss in the price/value equation.
They should have spec'ed their test MCS for performance, within the realm of the manufacturer's offerings. Until run-flats are optional, you can't expect them to do an aftermarket mod for their test.
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I think they were kinda stuck with whatever MiniUSA could provide for them in terms of vehicles. They definitely didn't get the best possible combo to perform well in a comparo but they also didn't get one with $8k worth of luxury/non-performance options, which is all too easy to do to an MCS.
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gimmick. It can't change the engine hp output.
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I can believe it gives the impression of being faster simply because you dont have it "more gas". If I am wrong, plz show me the adjusted torque curve for the sport button
Its a marketing gimmick but please do tell me its more with real torque charts because I wish that were true
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I'm thinking the testers evaluate the cars from the perspective of "sport" drivers. That's who the subjective scores are talking to. I think the sport button would have increased some of those scores - the fact that they didn't mention it leaves me to believe they might not have know about it. At a minimum, they could have mentioned it and pooh-poohed it like chows4us.
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"sport button" I know of that does anything more than change throttle response is for the BMW M5. Press that button and you get an instant 100 HP
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