R56 :: Hatch Talk (2007+) MINI Cooper and Cooper S (R56) hatchback discussion.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

R56 Who's Planning to Keep Their 2ND Gen Car Forever?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 6, 2015 | 03:36 PM
  #101  
mbwicz's Avatar
mbwicz
6th Gear
iTrader: (4)
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,810
Likes: 53
From: Buffalo area, NY
I just like my MINI too much, for me it is a great daily driver. Finally time for a set of summer tires, some more maintenance in the spring.

It is nice to have a car that you enjoy rather than just driving an appliance. Plus it is cool that you don't see your twin car every day.

Have fun,
Mike
 
Reply
Old Mar 6, 2015 | 11:00 PM
  #102  
renchjeep's Avatar
renchjeep
6th Gear
iTrader: (4)
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 1,114
Likes: 46
From: Aguanga, CA
I had a slight annoying rattle in the back of my 11 MCS when the seats were folded down. Wife/co-pilot figured it out. The latches rattled a bit when the seats were folded down. No rattles when the seats are in the "up" position. Still loving my MINI! N18 carbon buildup issues? None so far. N18 guys with carbon buildup, please chime in!
 
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2015 | 03:51 AM
  #103  
whaap's Avatar
whaap
5th Gear
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 831
Likes: 7
From: Tucson, Arizona
I love my '13 Justa hardtop but it will be traded for another car before the warranty runs out. Perhaps another Mini but I'm really intrigued by the new Miata coming out.
 
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2015 | 04:11 AM
  #104  
TorchMINI's Avatar
TorchMINI
4th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 499
Likes: 10
From: Traverse City, MI
I wish I'd found this thread last year. For some reason I didn't find it until now. I started a similar one in reference to the Clubman, but the feeling is the same.
I think that those of us who are near retirement are more serious about the 'forever' part of the theme, since in such cases, certainly mine, a new Mini, or even a new affordable car, isn't really affordable. I spent about $31k on my Clubman back in '08 and that will never happen again, especially with all the uncertainty about our Michigan retirement program, not to mention Social Security... In other words, my long term money needs aren't going to cars.

I'm now glad not to have the S and all the turbo related equipment troubles, although we Cooper (Justa) folks need to be vigilant about our timing chains too. Mine has grown to over 69 mm of slack even with clean oil.

I had a new tensioner bolt put in but it worries me and I may yet replace the whole thing in order to have a better chance of my car outlasting me. There are other items under the bonnet that I wonder about such as vacuum pump, serpentine belt and maybe a third thermostat housing, but I find it difficult to assess the dangers lurking there.

My Clubman has only 70,000 miles, but it needs to go another 70 at least.
I have also concerned about the visible rust on the subframe, so I was very interested in Kyoo's postings on this. Maybe I need some good garage ramps since I can't find a garage to use for getting under it to treat it properly.

Below is the link to my parallel thread on this idea of being so happy with a car as to want it to be the last one. Yet, who knows- maybe I'll win the lottery and live to be 90 and manage to buy a new Mini someday with plug-in power around town!

Meanwhile I feel lucky to have a perfect Mini in my garage :-)



https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...n-forever.html
 
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2015 | 06:04 AM
  #105  
redhotchillipepper's Avatar
redhotchillipepper
1st Gear
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
I would love to keep my mini S. So far I been dumping money fixing every thing the could or would go wrong with it. If I ever get a chance. I would take every mechanical crap they put in them. And flat out go crazy with it. And replace it with a LS2 rolling chassis modify to fit. Dreams are far beyond imagination."reality" but any thing is possible.
 
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2015 | 07:42 PM
  #106  
kellmark's Avatar
kellmark
1st Gear
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
This is an interesting thread. It points out the dilemma that MIni has created for owners, especially the R56. I love my 2007 R56S, which I bought new. It is fun to drive, and looks great, and has been reliable for me, although I am **** about taking care of it, but I feel that it is a ticking bomb regarding all the mechanical issues that this version has experienced with many owners. Timing chain, vacuum pump, etc which can result in the destruction of the engine itself.

Mine is low mileage, only 35,000. That is because I have a second car as a daily driver. I do tend to keep my cars a very long time. I had a Saturn (yes, a Saturn), until last year for 18 years, with 223,000 miles on it. It was a very reliable car by any measure. But yes, it was an appliance.

So I thought when the Saturn died, what should I do? Just drive the Mini? I really didn't want to do that with all of the issues that they have had. And I also looked at possibly trading the R56S for the new F56S but absolutely hated the front end look, and it seems highly over-engineered and I just felt it has lost the charm of the R56.

I decided instead to get a replacement daily driver, but this time I did not want to spend the high price of a new car. So I found a 2004 BMW 325I that I got from a trusted friend for a great price. I put new brakes, tires, oil and filter, air filter, and a headliner, at a very reasonable cost with local independent mechanics. I have now had it for 8 months and put 5,000 miles on it without one hiccup. It drives beautifully with amazing handling, and smooth, and it even gets decent gas mileage, although it needs high test, just like the Mini. It has that great BMW straight 6 engine, with lots of torque. I enjoy driving it as much as the Mini. I never would have thought that I would have owned a BMW, but so far it has worked out for me. I also realize that these cars have their own issues like subframes failing, but hey for the price I paid, I have little to lose.

So, the bottom line is, although I still plan to keep the Mini as long as possible, and love driving it, I don't see myself ever getting another one. And if I had to use it as a daily driver I think I would have to sell it.
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 01:35 AM
  #107  
Systemlord's Avatar
Systemlord
6th Gear
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 3,428
Likes: 37
From: Mission Viejo, CA
Originally Posted by renchjeep
I had a slight annoying rattle in the back of my 11 MCS when the seats were folded down. Wife/co-pilot figured it out. The latches rattled a bit when the seats were folded down. No rattles when the seats are in the "up" position. Still loving my MINI! N18 carbon buildup issues? None so far. N18 guys with carbon buildup, please chime in!
Speaking about many different rattling noises through-out my MCS, that all disappeared completely after installing my Ohlins coil-overs!

My right rear seat latch and hatchback used to rattle on certain rough surfaces and bumps, that's a thing of the past.
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 03:18 AM
  #108  
komet155's Avatar
komet155
4th Gear
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 399
Likes: 0
From: Exit 9
I was just checking out the Ohlins site and am curious, is the ride really more comfortable than stock or just as comfortable (which in itself would be a feat for coilovers)? Also, how does the weight compare to the stock setup? Is there any weight advantage or disadvantage to switching over?

Originally Posted by Systemlord
Speaking about many different rattling noises through-out my MCS, that all disappeared completely after installing my Ohlins coil-overs!

My right rear seat latch and hatchback used to rattle on certain rough surfaces and bumps, that's a thing of the past.
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 05:12 AM
  #109  
jkapinos's Avatar
jkapinos
5th Gear
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 707
Likes: 5
Yes they are much more comfortable. I did not weigh them, but they may be a bit less weight.
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 05:48 AM
  #110  
TorchMINI's Avatar
TorchMINI
4th Gear
iTrader: (1)
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 499
Likes: 10
From: Traverse City, MI
Kellmark and All,
I too came from owning Saturns and found them reliable, although a friend of mine who hadn't replaced his belt (timing or serpentine...) had it break on a road trip and that was it for the poor SL2. I was glad that Mini used a chain for timing, although now we see the downside to that. Every time I start my MINI I am hearing the chain make the kazoo sound as it wears itself down a bit.
I will say that those of us with an N 12 or N 16 engine have a better chance of growing old with our cars than those with the turbo.
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 07:27 AM
  #111  
richardsperry's Avatar
richardsperry
6th Gear
iTrader: (6)
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,247
Likes: 7
From: Eldersburg, Md
I probably won't keep it as long as my E36 M3. I bought that new in 1995...lol 73K miles in 20 years... And I'll probably be buried in it...lol


The MINI has 54K in 5.5 years. The BMW is much faster and comfortable, (supercharged, 325 rwhp), but the S is more fun to drive.


The BMW has been the most trouble free car I've ever owned. Yes, I've dumped a metric crap ton of money in it, but all of that was by choice, not because it was broken or worn out. (except tires...lol) I actually think only 3 small parts have failed in 20 years.


In about 4 years when I can collect social security, I see a nice Ferrari or Pcar monthly payment...
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 09:12 AM
  #112  
metro62's Avatar
metro62
2nd Gear
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 60
Likes: 1
I own a 2007 MCS w/ 38,000 miles. Daily driver, with a short commute and an occasional 400-mile road trip.

As long as the body doesn't rust out or doesn't get wrecked, I will probably keep the car another 6-8 years, or maybe even longer. I've had the timing chain replaced under warranty and paid for a carbon blast at 30K. I will attempt to DIY carbon blasts at proactive 25K intervals and tackle Mini-typical problems like the turbo oil line, thermostat housing and water pump on my own as they arise. There have been some excellent How-To threads and writeups posted on this forum which should help a lot.

Every brand has chronic failure points. I kept my wonderful Saab 9-5 on the road with DIY projects like water pump, Euro coolant bypass, turbo and alternator replacements. The latter 2 were royal PIA efforts, and I figure if I did those I can handle the typical MINI failure points.

I never had the timing chain death rattle, BTW. I partly attribute that to my habit of gentle warmups and 5,000 mile 0W-40 oil changes which may have kept the chain from stretching early on. I did replace the tensioner with the improved version at around 20K.
 

Last edited by metro62; Mar 8, 2015 at 09:18 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 09:49 AM
  #113  
dongood's Avatar
dongood
4th Gear
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 361
Likes: 1
I have a 2012 R59S with the N18 engine and despite all that I am reading on this forum I do expect my Gen2 to last for many years, at least as long as I have had my R53 (9yrs, 139k miles and counting).

I do tell prospective Mini owners to make sure they are aware of what they are getting into.

Like all highly strung machines it takes more maintenance and money to keep the Mini running. But that doesn't equate to unreliability.

Take care of your Gen2 beyond what Mini recommends and I see no reason why it won't last "forever."
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 01:03 PM
  #114  
Systemlord's Avatar
Systemlord
6th Gear
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 3,428
Likes: 37
From: Mission Viejo, CA
Originally Posted by komet155
I was just checking out the Ohlins site and am curious, is the ride really more comfortable than stock or just as comfortable (which in itself would be a feat for coilovers)? Also, how does the weight compare to the stock setup? Is there any weight advantage or disadvantage to switching over?
#0 to #30 settings from #0 soft and #30 stiff, Ohlins are aluminum, not steel like stock. I have actually found stiffer settings #20 to have great dampening while excellent control of rebound! Stiffer settings make your Mini feel lower than than it actually is with crisp steering response.
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 01:05 PM
  #115  
Cary Cooper's Avatar
Cary Cooper
3rd Gear
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 286
Likes: 1
From: D.C. Metro
We'll be keeping ours until we close the doors and the MINI falls apart... Possibly even then might consider repairing it! 😄
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 01:16 PM
  #116  
Spaz Chicken's Avatar
Spaz Chicken
1st Gear
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 26
Likes: 2
From: Charlotte, NC
I purchased mine with full intention of selling it in 3-4 years (then buying another truck and a ND Miata). That said, in the short time i've owned it, it's impressed the hell out of me and I find myself looking at the 4 door or countryman.
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2015 | 02:02 PM
  #117  
komet155's Avatar
komet155
4th Gear
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 399
Likes: 0
From: Exit 9
Thanks, I would definitely consider these...I had SHINE Racing springs paired with Bilstein HDs on my previous ride (2001 GTi 1.8t) and even up until I sold it after 12 years and 180k of hard driving in the northeast, the car handled like a champ! My Cooper's factory "sport" suspension is ok, but lacks in the crisp steering department.

Originally Posted by Systemlord
#0 to #30 settings from #0 soft and #30 stiff, Ohlins are aluminum, not steel like stock. I have actually found stiffer settings #20 to have great dampening while excellent control of rebound! Stiffer settings make your Mini feel lower than than it actually is with crisp steering response.
For those who had never heard of SHINE: http://www.kermatdi.com/mk4-shine-ra...et-spring-kit/
 
Reply
Old Mar 9, 2015 | 01:00 AM
  #118  
Seasidenj's Avatar
Seasidenj
Neutral
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
From: Seaside
I think I'll keep my mini and my next second car will be a self driver! So it might be a while😀
 
Reply
Old Mar 9, 2015 | 12:32 PM
  #119  
Sabini's Avatar
Sabini
2nd Gear
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 55
Likes: 0
From: OC/NY
my 2010 MC has 155k, the original clutch. I was thinking of going to an awd vehicle, but I really dont have any major issues, plus its paid off.
 
Reply
Old Mar 9, 2015 | 01:34 PM
  #120  
komet155's Avatar
komet155
4th Gear
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 399
Likes: 0
From: Exit 9
I'm very encouraged to hear that Sabini. I tend to go easy on my clutch, which enabled me to get over 170k on the original clutch in my 2001 GTi 1.8t. I had heard so many horror stories about short-lived clutches on R56's that I assumed it would need replacement by 100k or sooner. I have noticed an easier tendency to accelerate before it's fully engaged, probably because I find the clutch pedal travel a little awkward in relation to throttle response. I keep having to remind myself about that.
Originally Posted by Sabini
my 2010 MC has 155k, the original clutch. I was thinking of going to an awd vehicle, but I really dont have any major issues, plus its paid off.
 
Reply
Old Mar 14, 2015 | 02:34 AM
  #121  
ultrakill's Avatar
ultrakill
2nd Gear
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 79
Likes: 2
From: Fresno, CA
We got a '10 Justa with 39k miles. Right now its the wife's car, which I only drive occasionally but I love it and plan to keep it forever. My DD is a '90 Mitsubishi Montero when I don't drive my Ninja 650R.

When kids come in the picture in the next year or two I still want all these vehicles + a crossover or small SUV for wife and I will take Mini for commuting, Montero can become weekend/offroader (which it already offroads monthly)
 
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2018 | 07:28 PM
  #122  
danraabe's Avatar
danraabe
3rd Gear
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 289
Likes: 8
From: Colorado
Keeping my cooper

I heard from an old car guy here that if you change too many things on your Cooper (any car) and you sell it, you are liable to fix it if the next owner doesn’t pass emissions inspection. Guess I’m keeping it. I would like to buy an MCs n18. When were the last cars made? 2013?
 
Reply
Old Oct 31, 2018 | 08:04 PM
  #123  
mini coop's Avatar
mini coop
6th Gear
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,541
Likes: 52
From: World Championship 50 Fans
One of 50 exported to the US - the rarest MINI ever shipped into the US - I'm keeping my JCW WC50 forever.

 
Reply
Old Nov 1, 2018 | 03:33 AM
  #124  
mbwicz's Avatar
mbwicz
6th Gear
iTrader: (4)
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 1,810
Likes: 53
From: Buffalo area, NY
Danraabe, the hardtops were made with N18 from 2011-2013 (JCW was N18 only in 2013). Coupes, roadsters, clubbies, and convertibles were made for a year or two later.

Have fun,
Mike
 
Reply
Old Nov 1, 2018 | 07:50 AM
  #125  
danraabe's Avatar
danraabe
3rd Gear
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 289
Likes: 8
From: Colorado
Keeping the mini

Originally Posted by mbwicz
Danraabe, the hardtops were made with N18 from 2011-2013 (JCW was N18 only in 2013). Coupes, roadsters, clubbies, and convertibles were made for a year or two later.

Have fun,
Mike
after I reassemble my car I’ll be looking for a 2013 MCs 2door to match. I found one recently, but people here do not order them like I did, so finding one with leather seats is rare. Can’t do plastic or cloth. Also they are full of dents. That’s from being too lay to walk across the parking lot. Gotta find that convenient parking pl@ce next to the kid filled suv.

DR
 
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:25 PM.