Also if you continue reading the posts from that link they are using them. I dont have a turbo and I was only asking if people use them anymore as I thought they were old school. I am not looking to start any arguments, again I was just curoius.

 

That, is not a turbo timer my friend, that is just a more efficient cooling system. There is a difference as the timer keeps the engine running, and with that said, there is still no need to let it idle.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but the point is that there is simply no need to let the car idle any longer. We can split hairs about timers all day long.

 

Many of the people that I have spoken to (I have a 2004 Forrester XT) that had them removed them or now have it as a novelty. There are a few guys that have highly tuned cars which they race that do have them but even talking to them they usually have it disabled. Yes, you can find people on the forums that have them, but if you follow the highly respected folks, you will see that they are debunked.

Oh, and the Forrester was run on the Autobahn at high speeds over long periods of time and I have never had a coking issue.

 

Yes but if it continues to circulate to cool it down it is doing the same thing that a turbo timer would have done. Like I said it is more old school now and was curious if anyone was still using them.

 

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Hey look we agree! No need to let them idle because of the engineering set up to cool the turbo. No engineering set up to cool the turbo (such as an old civic) then some form should be used to let the turbo cool after hard driving.

 

Guess we agree to disagree on it then. Although, I do agree it is old school.

 

You lost me when you tried to toss STI stuff at me without knowing anything about it. I do like how you are trying to change your stance though.

Think what you want, I am done arguing this tonight.

 

 

I was going to let you live on. However, I am not changing my stance. Both things I said and even the thing about STI that I wasn't sure about, was right. They do have something in place to cool the turbo after shutdown. Performing the same job as a turbo timer. "A lot of cars that come with turbos have something built in. Like the mini does." has been proven. You can pick and choose what to call it but it serves the same purpose and most cars have them. So hey we can all get along now.

Anyway lets get this thread back on topic. People change there oil whenever they wan't but if you are one of the people who wait till 12k to change your oil and something oil related fails such as vacuum pump, timing chain, or turbo you have no room to complain.

 

Call it apple to oranges if you like, but ive grown up in a family that builds custom engines for a living. Family business is Saris Racing Engines. If you ask my father, whos engines have set endurance records, he will tell you 5k is pushing it, why not change it at 3?
The amount of moisture that builds up in the oil, the amount of sludge, the dirt! Have any of you really taken apart an oil filter at a 5k oil change?
For the less than 50 bucks it is to change it, its REAL cheap insurance. Hell, on our race motors, we change it every race (about 60 miles) and run the same motor for 3 seasons (1o races a year) without any issues. I truly believe changing the oil that often helps with the longevity, and I would be weary of buying a Mini or any other car that has had 15k oil changes.
Point of reference for how hard we run on a typical day of racing...

 

You are right, it is a timer. I am stupid and have no clue what I am talking about. Happy?

 

I never said you didn't know what you were talking about, or that it was a timer, as my quote says "something built in" I'll ask you a simple yes or no question to test his.

Is it good for engines to have something that circulates through the turbo to help it cool down?

 

On a racing engine it probably is pushing it at 5K, but on a regular car it isn't. I know many high mileage MINIs that have been running 15K changes (some well over 200K now) so how do you explain those? As I mentioned, the USA oil change is cheap and if it will buy you piece of mind then go for it, but the oil is not worn at 5K and still has a lot of life. It has been proven over and over but you guys even buck empirical data which baffles me.

 

SO there you go the answer to the big question, It all depends on how the engine is treated!

 

And congrats to the owners with 200k+ miles! Thats a lot of happy motoring!
We do about a 60/40 split racing/pleasure motors, and we recommend the same oils and changes for all of them, with the exception of our biggest package, the 1300. Why? Simple. Good enough to win on the course, even better for everyday use. There is no better way to prove what works then to win with it. I get what your saying, but theres a reason GM, Ford, and many others oil change intervals are well below 15k. I think the one on my Envoy was 5. I did every 3 anyway. Its especially baffeling to me considering how small the amount of oil my MINI holds! Like you said, at the very least, cheap peace of mind

 

As I said, I am done discussing this.

 

K.

My only advice for oil is to use good oil. Nothing that Jiffy Lube or Midas would put in there. Something like Mobile 1 0-40 fully synthetic. As it has been proven that oil can last 10k and still be within tolerances.

 

If I had stuff like this going on I would change every 5k no matter what anyone says... Its not about the oil failing , it's about the F.O.D. that can accumulate in the oil










think out of the box

 

Synthetic oil was created by German scientists during the 1930's and 1940's to supplement the need of crude oil in various military applications. During the 1950's and 1960's synthetic oil reached a further customer base by becoming of use to aviation enthusiasts. Finally, during the 1970's the synthetic oil formulations were offered to consumers for automotive use. It took nearly 40 years for synthetic oil to make it from theory to your auto parts shelf.

So much for Amsoil creating it.

 

Gees my JCW has been either well looked after or overcome with kindness.

Eighteen months old, 10000 miles or 16000 kms, since we don't have miles in Australia, and I did the third oil change yesterday.

 

As in the other thread, who said they created it?

 

Well I just called mini because I thought I saw a thread where they lowered it to even 8k but I guess I was wrong. They said I could pay out of pocket and they would cover my first oil change at 10k miles(I'm at 5.1k now) and quoted me 185.00 LOL yea that's cool I can change the oil myself lol. Where can I match the factory quality synthetic oil? So far only mods is suspenion and air intake but I plan on installing my helix intercooler soon and I get on it on on ramps and once in a while around town so I want to change it now.

 

I use Mobile 1 5w30 extended performance in my MINI for many years. In yours many people use Mobile 1 0w40 European. You can find it at some Walmarts. Just make sure you get a OEM filter or Mann filter. Many vendors offer oil change specials that even include a new oil pan bolt. Shop around and you will see.

 

You can buy it (OEM oil and OEM filter) from the dealer, or mail-order it.