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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 11:06 AM
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Do The MINI Xenons Have That BMW-Blue Look?

Although I've my '08 with Xenons for about 1500 miles now, I haven't tried checking if they have that blue tinge on approach. Can anyone 'illuminate' me on this?
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 11:07 AM
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Yep they do. I have always thought that all xenon's carried a bluish tinge
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 11:10 AM
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No, they don't.
I've heard it has something to do with the lens or shield, or whatever.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 11:21 AM
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there are different temperature bulbs available...
i believe 5000k is stock, 8000k will make them blue if that's what you want but it actually provides less light than the stock temp.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 11:37 AM
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I know that, but BMW's in particular have something special about the lens, if I recall, like on the edges, that give off that changing blue light that blends into white as you approach.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 11:42 AM
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I've never noticed anything but white light. Now if you are talking about looking at the headlights, I haven't done that.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by VelvetFoot
I know that, but BMW's in particular have something special about the lens, if I recall, like on the edges, that give off that changing blue light that blends into white as you approach.
do you mean like this?

angel eyes
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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No. It's like a color shift through a prism.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 12:06 PM
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From my other car's forum:
http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=81183.0

Every car manufacturer in the world (including BMW and Audi) uses none other than a standard 4100K gas-discharge bulb. No exceptions. The reason being is that 4100K is daylight white in color and produces the same color visible light as direct sunlight. This is least fatiguing functional color on the eyes and produces the most comfortable contrast on the road.

So the million dollar question is now: Why do BMW & Audi lights appear blue when they use a white bulb?

Well, this coloration is the result of the light projectors; the lenses: it's transparency, it's curvature, the tiny grooves etched into it; the projector assembly, the shield, and the reflector bowl. All these components work together to produce a signature of light unique to that particular optic's design. On the Audi and BMW projectors, the lens curvature at the edge bends the white light producing a "prism effect". White light is broken down to it's fundemental colors. Since blue lights is high energy, it is absorbed last and thus travels farther. So with this prism effect, you'll notice that BMW HIDs are only purple and blue from the sides, the top, and the bottom edges, but are always daylight white on the road and in the beam pattern. This phenomenon can be demonstrated when you watch an oncoming BMW hit a pot hole or speed bump in the road and the car's nose pitches up and down. The headlights will flicker and "throw colors off", but returns to a solid white beam pattern directly on the road.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by glnr13
there are different temperature bulbs available...
i believe 5000k is stock, 8000k will make them blue if that's what you want but it actually provides less light than the stock temp.
I put a set of 6k kelvin bulbs in and they're definitely blue, 8k is more purple. The light difference is pretty darn close. Stock should be 4300 kelvin. BMW's appears closer 4800 or 5200 due to reflectors and all that stuff.

If you can find 5k it would be a good compromise. I couldn't at the time, so I went with the 6k's.

This sort of illustrates the different temperature colors (I've seen 10-12k xenon bulbs on the street, they're purple, and put absolutely no light down on the road, it sort of looks like someone has one of those 80's 2 dollar flashlights with dying batteries pointed down the road. I don't even think I could read from 20 feet away with them, 15k is just ridiculous. I don't know how you could see anything at all, and they look like crap):

 

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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 12:17 PM
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I figured the car is by BMW, so maybe it has BMW Xenons.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 12:46 PM
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Hmm, sounds like chromatic abberation. When light passes through a substance that slows it down, such as glass or water, it slows the different wavelengths (colors) different amounts. IIUC, this causes the different colors to bend different angles and produces a rainbow.

Simple lenses will cause chromatic abberation, so it is likely that Xenon projectors have it to some extent. It takes multiple lens elements of different exotic glass to eliminate reduce C.A.

Somewhere I read that "daylight" Xenons actually have more blue than daylight. Something about the daylight spectrum + an extra blue component. Can't recall where I read it.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 01:12 PM
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I understand what you are asking, and yes they look similiar to BMW / Audi / VW HID's. They are a tad more white than blue, but they do have the color shift at the end of the light spread.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 01:41 PM
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do u mean when a bmw is behind u, and when it bounces the projector looks like its a rainbow color? If its that i dont think so, i seen a few mini's behind me and it doesnt have that rainbow effect, but it does look cool, my R1 has that.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 01:45 PM
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what robincasady said
 
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Old Apr 16, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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Mine start out fairly blue but turn a warm white after warming. To me they look like regular halogens after warming but they are brighter than halogens. I would rather mine be a little more cool white or blueish. Just an observation but my wifes Rover has a much more blue hue.
 

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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 04:58 AM
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I'm talking about when approaching head-on at a distance.
You see a color shift, as cincicobra said, from blue to white as you get closer.
It's nice to know they have a similar look to BMW's.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2008 | 01:31 PM
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They don't appear blue to me, driving or being driven towards. I do get the rainbow effect at the edge of the beam, but that is bearable.
I am really happy with the zenons. I call them daylights.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 01:10 PM
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How do change the xenon bulbs on the r56 does anyone know?
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:21 PM
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You don't change Xenon bulbs. If they stop working, you install a completely new Xenon assembly. They're not at all like halogens, where you pop-out the old bulb, buy a new one for under $10, and replace it. Xenons are a sealed unit, with no user-replaceable bulbs. (...and they're very, very expensive to change)
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:28 PM
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so what is the life of a typical xenon headlamp? This may cause me to reconsider my order if its too costly and frequent of a repair.
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:31 PM
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hmmmmm... I can't say for the R56 as I don't own one, but any R53 equipped with Xenons can have the bulbs replaced... I know the early models, 02 - 04, require D2-R bulbs and the latter ones require D2-S. I'd be quite perplexed if MINI didn't allow replacement HIDs, as they are certainly not lifetime.

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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:34 PM
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Xenons typically last longer than Halogens, as they don't have a filament that produces light, so thereotically they should last a lot longer... you can read about them here:

http://www.halcyon.net/lights/hid-faq.shtml
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 04:52 PM
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Good site for info on auto lighting:

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...e/bad/bad.html
 
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Old Apr 27, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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Its hard to tell looking at the car when its parked.

Funny, I was on the highway today and wanted to confirm this myself for a while now and I saw a 07 Pepper White MCS with Xenons and I passed him and got a ways up and it was about 7:30pm sun was about down.

And yes definatly a nice blue tint to them. If you park your car in a garage youll see if the light hits the wall the top of the bean has a slight blue tint to and and the farther away you ar the bigegr itll be.

Its just hard to tell if the car is by itself, much easier in a group of cars with halogens.
 
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