8 seconds is huge at the ring... these aren't Joe Smoes driving but the factory drivers usually. When the Z06 didn't post a fast enuff time with the factory engineer, they brought in a F1 driver to go a few seconds quicker.

BTW, that was a 2001 Honda and 06 JCW

 

Post the actual lap times - even if they were both right at 8 minutes (which I seriously doubt), eight seconds is not even a 2% difference - hardly "huge", by any standards. In fact, the phrase "statistically insignificant" comes to mind...

 

"It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning"

 

Two cars on the same track, five years apart. One posts a lap time of 8:55, the other posts 8:47 (1.5% faster). Different weather conditions, different drivers.

How confident are you about comparing the performance abilities *of the two cars* based on those results?

 

someone totally missed the humor in that post, lol

 

Ill say

 

I had a CRX and never remembered it handling anything like the Mini with that being said my Conquest TSI was the my favorite handling car to drive before getting the Mini and even that can't compare.

This was a long time ago so I may be wrong but when I first drove the Mini it was a feeling like never felt before.

Just my 2 cents.

BTW only had the CRX for 9 months before totaling it by hitting a dear.

 

Maybe the punk kid in the cavalier had to go to the bathroom and was trying to get home? How about pics of the P car? Here's ours, an 86 euro spec cab.

 

Doesn't that hurt your knees, squatting like that? =o)

Seriously, nice shine on that Porsche!

 

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073

8:55 --- 134.579 km/h -- Mini Cooper S Works, 200 hp (sport auto ??/04)
8:47 --- 140.721 km/h -- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS/1246 kg (sport auto 11/01)

7:59* -- 154.822 km/h -- Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05),

Of course its true that track conditions could be the same but when its raining, they usually say that

Motor was talking about a MCS ... not a JCW. MINI has NO posted times on the MCS (although they do test there). I have asked the question on NAM before ... WHY no MCS times on the RING and the answer has been something like the car is just not built for "that kind of track" or something like that.

Its no fluke they used a JCW for a published figure.

If you look at the Z06 numbers, Dave Hill is the Z06 Chief Engineer. There were some upset ppl at Chevy that it barely broke the 8 min mark for a Supercar, a 198 MPH car. So they brought in the professional and MUCH better time.

The fact is, the RING is the ultimate test for a car. Its no fluke that Chevy was upset about the initial numbers ... This is what its all about ... everyone respects the RING.

The point of my original comment is simply ... you want bragging rights ... you talk the Ring.

 

stock it definatly wasnt near the mini handling stock. mine was prepped for the track only.

 

"Now see... if you dun der' had a big ol' truck, you wud of not totaled that der truck"

Sorry couldnt help insert the redneck view

 

lol Nice

 

I just read through these posts. Started out dude in Porsche is taunted by punks, then discussion of racing stripes begging for a race, then a video link of a ricer wing falling off (2 :^D) then lap times comparison on the Ring.

Back to his question: has Mtv corrupted our youth? (or something like that)

 

Great post... I chortled coffee onto my keyboard a little...


Regarding the original topic.. young adults sometimes outmatch older adults in stupidity. Sometimes not. And it's hardly limited to cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkN1LcuMoJw

 

hahah that was great
except the majority of them actually made me cringe

 

2 funny!!!! I've video taped rally stages before, what a bonehead.:impatient

 

Just as much as Rock&Roll corrupted the Baby Boomers

 

I still advocate the "If you're going to race take it to the track" movement. Yes I have been in one or two racing situations, but each time it was some destroyed import flashing his recirc BOV and revving like no tomorrow. I won't play with anything I can't match, but when a MINI prods, or BMW, Porsche, etc I'll try and play keep up. It's all in good fun, especially since it is done in a safe manner (Turning signals, no cutting off people, etc). People who buy our cars want to enjoy them, not let them stagnate. You've GOT to be able to play sometime.

DONT though, be like that kid that had his parents buy him an STi, then on the first day you have it race a Ferrari, completely ignoring the break in.

...a month later he crashed doing 80mph down a steep incline, ran it through a guardrail and slammed into a ditch. He then proceeded to ask us on the WRX forum for spare parts (ie side panel, driver door, hood, front lip, etc)

Lesson to be learned; DONT DRIVE LIKE AN IDIOT IN A PERFORMANCE CAR, NO MATTER WHAT AGE


[side note: I really have NO clue as to why it is so popular to mod Civics and think they are "teh f4sterrrr" because really, a blow-off valve, intake, and 5in exhaust without a proper tune will kill your car, hence why I see so many Civics being sold for $1,000 as parts and thats it. Maybe it's the kids that drive them, fueled by Teh Fast and Teh Furious (lol) and thinking that because your car has a bodykit made of cheap plastic and cardboard it will be able to beat out anything. If only they knew about engine knock, running lite and rich, the hazards of a turbo/BOV setup, and the fact that when you destroy your car due to not tuning it at all with any form of engine management, no one will help you fix it but your Father (Out of sympathy) and more idiots like you. I absolutely loathe the fact that I am a part of their generation, and wish them an easy entrance into the world of automotive enthusiasts, but driving a riced Honda with primer and duct tape is not the way to go. No, maybe if it was a Mustang tuned by Steeda, or a WRX tuned by COBB or Helix, hell even Nissan tuned by Nismo I'd be impressed. A Civic tuned by a bunch of Highschool tech students who don't know a break line from the holes in their head is not impressive, and just downright shameful.]

 

IB4TL

Discussion of ANY kind of street racing is forbidden ...

 

I am reminded of the saying - horses for courses. In horse racing there is a difference between a quarter horse and a thoroughbred. Up to about 3/8 of mile, the quarter horse will run away from the thoroughbred. At the 1/2 mile point, the thoroughbred is catching up to the quarter horse. The longer the distance, the greater the gap that the thoroughbred opens up on the quarter horse.

Fast forward to discussions about a tighter course and the MINI. There are very few cars (the Civic is not one of them) that I have seen beat a well-prepped and driven MCS in an autocross with tight turns. The 'Ring is suited more to a thoroughbred's kind of race. I am not saying that the Civic Type R couldn't beat a MINI on a course that is more suited to its strengths; it is just that lots of tight turns are not one of the Civic's strengths.

 

Awww Come on I had IB4TL @ post 10 and legal disscusion rules quoted @ post 24

 

It is a phenomena that has been going on since the invention of the hot rod, just different styles and more money now.

 

What wrong with a buch of stupid high school kids ****ing around with crap cars trying to make them faster?

That where I started, I see no problem with it. I blew up my fair share of cars doing stupid crap, but I learned from it.

Hot rodding is hot rodding, no matter what era or how old you are.

Im not a fan of Japanese cars myself (ask anyone, lol) but when done right a Honda can be just as fast if not faster than alot of the cars on the road.

Its all about who you let mess with it. Myself and friends have sent a D series powered Civic 2 door into the 12's for under 2 grand. Its all about how resourceful you can be, IE Hot rodding.

 

My wife and I cannot stand it when this happens! She drives an 04 CR/B MCS with a checkerboard roof and rally lamps. Her car really looks like a race car when aproaching someone so she gets it all the time. I drive GP 1845. The second day I had it, I was coming home from work and actually had someone move out of my way as I approached them (in the left lane)....5mph under the speed limit because the area is known for cops...and then look at me like I was the spawn of satan because they changed lanes to let me pass. Sometimes I do not understand other drivers!!