I'm just curious. I spend 99% of my time here on MCO, but occasionally pop over to MINI2 to see what's happening there. To my total dismay, today I posted about my experience buying from a particular vendor, as people were beating up another vendor in favor of the one that I had problems with. Follow me? So I then get flamed bigtime by the site's co-founder!!! Can you just imagine mferfuson jumping down your throat over oppinion? I was/am flabbergasted.

I had seen that happen to others on that site, and made it a practice to only check in. Now I'll never go back.....EVER!

I'd just like to take the time to thank all the posters and moderators on MCO for being mature, sensible and willing to listen without condemnation. I'm glad we can exchange ideas here without putting on a flame suit.

Am I the only one??

R

 

Can you post a direct link to the thread?

I haven't had any bad experiences in MINI2.COM, yet.

 

Hmm sorry to hear of this. A link would be most helpful

 

I haven't had any bad experiences over at MINI2, but I don't really spend much time over there. It doesn't have the flow and mojo that we have here at MCO. The interface isn't very naturaly to use, the graphics annoy me, and I haven't seen as many cool people hanging out as over here.

Let's keep up the good work, MCO gang!

 

Just the image of mferGuson jumping down your throat frightens me.

 

There's a lot to be said for some of the really in-depth information to be gleaned from MINI2 - and I like the stronger International element - but it is certainly not MCO! Things here are so much.... cooler! Let's all continue to work to keep it that way!!!

There does seem to be a higher population of less-than-endearing people over at MINI2 from my experience. I've never been flamed there, but I've only felt compelled to post there less than 50 times to date. You can see how often I feel compelled to post here....

For now, I'll just stick to my "search and find" missions for info over at MINI2 with my seldom posts.

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Clo,
I wasn't really sure what a ****** was...so I
did a search. Is this a ******?
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I hardly ever even bother checking out Mini2 anymore unless I'm looking for specific info. I agree with Clo, the place is way too clique-y, and tell you what, it makes me want to vomit how they so brazenly flirt. All sites have that to some extent, including this one, but over there it's so back and forth that I wouldn't be surprised if some of them were getting in touch on the side for a little one-on-one! Blecch, get a room already.

Also, there are way too many jerks over there, but maybe I just don't know them..After all, I called kesh a p****, and he turned out to be an alright guy. But for a mod to get in your face, especially the founder, well that just shows you what kind of place it is. I'll avoid it even more now.

P.S. Ten to one a thread shows up over there with a link to this thread, and they all start ripping on us too! I, for one, care not!

 

I'm not going to post a link to the thread in question, as I don't want a cross forum flame war. I'm really more just curious if others have had a negative experience on that site.

Clo, I completely agree with you.

R

 

I disagree completely and feel I must defend Mini2. Mini2 is a great place to share and learn. All the MINI sites have their positives and negatives.

Davebret, if you read your post and the ones following I think you will find that you started the flaming. It seems to me that you went into the forum looking to raise some hackles and you succeeded. Why flame mini2 now that you got what you wanted?

Here's a direct quote from your post that started it all:

"........What irked me about BMP (aside from DISMAL performance on the dyno..and before you nay-sayers get going, I had the BMP on my car for several days prior to the dyno...and it made junk power compared to the Rogue) was the quality. Thin, scratched up "heat shield" with a poor battery clip, and ill fitting seal. Cheap filter. Blah. Not to mention customer quality. Bought the product online and didn't get a confirmation email for over one week. Then got another email 2 weeks later saying the product was delayed. So it took them 3 WEEKS to tell me the product wouldn't be available for shipment. That is totally unacceptible. That alone deterred me from BMP, and the dyno proof was the icing on the cake."

Madness has been incredible to me and I can't complain about any of their products.

Badmouth all you want when you have proof in your hand. But if you are going on the assumption that since BMP is "known" that you'll get better products...well, I've got a bridge to sell you."

 

I have a great deal of respect for MINI2.com and yes I am a regular poster there.

I find the quality of the content better than MCO (Sorry is the truth) and they have the benefit of "insiders" posting there like MINIGUY an individual that until recently used to work in the inner trenches of MINI in Oxford. We don't have that here folks, unfortunately. There are very interesting topics there (Yeah some trash too) and the follow ups and eagerns to help and share info bt some posters is simply amazing.

I have never been flammed or harassed there. yes there are jerks posting there but also there are very knowledgeable and friendly MINI owners as well. I also like the international aspect of the site and the participation of owners from all over the world. Again that kind of participation is missing from MCO (We have a few foreigners but not many).

I have not had much interaction with Paul Mullett, MINI2's founder. Seems like a nice guy but I quite frankly don't know.

Take this as constructive criticism of MCO. MCO's quality of content has in a way deteriorated ever since I joined the site in June/July. There are many silly topics floating around "Xmas party topics, someone spit on my MINI", etc. OK they are a fun read but any serious MINI enthusiast or insider will eventually get turned off by some of these topics. It gives the impression that this site does not take its mission seriously by monitoring and regulating its content (I am not avocating censorship but the hosts should be more proactive in filtering out certain irrelevant content, IMO).


People here are great and the informal approach of the site seems to attract many. In all honestly I feel the "clique" more here than in MCO. I know that many in this site do not like my posts and participation...I don't feel very welcomed here.


Having said all this, I think MCO has the potential to be better than MINI2 in many ways, but certain adjustments need to be made to ensure quality of content and consistency.

The "Fault and Fixes" forum MINI2 far surpasses our "Under the bonnet" repair discussions. See what I mean?

MCO is more tuned to the US MINI owner without a doubt.


Please don't waste your time flamming me, but take my criticism as constructive. This site is not perfect either but I will still take it anytime over the aweful and cyclic Roadfly.org.


PS: I prefer the message board software used by MINI2...is far easier on the eyes. The MCO site on a dial up connection is way too slow and sluggish, something that doesn't happen in MINI2.

 

Thank goodness you kissed and made up over there on mini2 :smile:
We're all happy now.
Nothing to see here anymore people, you can all go home now

 

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Yo cooper4us, have you ever even SEEN the off-topic and banter board over at MINI2? I suggest you take a look if you haven't. Not flaming, just pointing out the obvious.

 

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Yeah I have seen it, but the hosts remove these topics from the main discussion forums and put them into the dedicated off topic forum. I am not implying that MINI2 is perfect and neither is MCO. MCO needs to show a more "Pro" face to the public if you know what I mean.

MCO needs to attract the "insider" kind of poster that MINI2 has. I value the info shared by those individuals working behind the scenes, whether they are in the production or dealer level.

I still feel MCO was much better 6 months ago compared to today.

 

Not to rehash the MINI2 thread, but I was basically stating my experience, not badmouthing, which is what got implied back. Ya, we "made up". Ha. But I do still have a sour taste in my mouth. We've had the exact same discussions here with the exact same content and never had to defend myself.

Oh well. Live and learn. I'll just stick to MCO. MINI2 is like coming to the party late...everyone has already hooked up. Maybe that's why I just feel like an outsider there. MCO just feels more inviting for whatever reason. And that's just my oppinion.

$0.02

R

 

I think this rivalry between the MINI sites is kinda stupid. MINI2 is still at the top folks. That site has a much wider audience but this doesn't mean that MCO should feel the need to trash them. MCO can and should do better. Instead of following YOU should lead and set the standard for all things related to the MINI. Pay attention to the quality of your content and watch your site take off.

 

uhhhhhh...I have to admit that I' m more than a little leary stepping into this discussion, but here goes...

I think that Cooper4us makes some VERY good points and if taken as truly constructive criticism could really help move MCO ahead. I too agree that this site has slipped over the past 6 months in its information content. I really find many of the discussions here enjoyable, and I think that overall this is a very, very, friendly online place; but I also have to admit that when I really need to verify a technical point, I'll go over to "the other site" to search for an answer. The reasons why have been covered in other posts on this thread so I won't repeat.

On a minor point, I'll note that I don't agree that MINI2 has a better interface...I like MCO's more. But as for the bigger ppicture, criticism is a good thing, and as long as it's come up, maybe we should reflect on where we want this site to go (maybe in the Site Feedback area?).

 

Rivalry? There's none in my book. Each is very different. MINI2 has an international flair and lots of tech talk. Roadfly is very down to earth. MCO is very in tune with North America and the onset of the MINI. It's all about what you are looking for. I don't think any really compete against each other as they serve different functions.

I don't want to start anything. I just had a bad experience and was curious if others have, too. Or hey, for that matter, if you haven't there, but here. No disrespecting, nothing like that. Just curious. So please, no ill will, just discussion. Thanks!

R

 

I do agree that MCO is more in tune with North America. Glad of it too.

Regarding under the bonnet stuff, I could care less what makes my MINI run. I take it to the dealer if there's a problem. Fine, techies can go to mini2 and discuss torque to their hearts content. I'll stay here where the people are more fun.

 

I like Moonpie, but WAY too many "Doms" over there!

 

Alright...here's my take on everything. MINI2 is the site i found first, so i must admit, I tend to post there more often. However, i check in with MCO with the exact same frequency, it just seems like the threads that i'm interested in mirror threads on MINI2 that get responded to more quickly, often, and more completely.

That being said, sometimes that gets annoying. A lot of times the threads tend to get off-topic quickly, and finding the pertinent information becomes more trouble than it's worth. MCO threads, I've found, tend to stay on-topic a lot more than those at MINI2.

One thing i like about MINI2, is the level of discussion in the subjects i'm interested. However, i think that leads to the "flaming" people have been referring to. A healthy medium has not been reached. Too much discussion over there, not enough over here... I'm not sure i'm conveying my point well, but let's just say if I want some information, i tend to post at MINI2, because the responses come faster and in greater numbers, with more opinions on each topic. Sometimes TOO many opinions and disrespectful comments, though.

One of my gripes with MCO is the lack of..."moderation"? What I mean is that often when i check in with "Under the Bonnet" i find lengthy posts about wheel sizes, or who's anxious for their new MINI to arrive, etc... On MINI2, the threads tend to be more on-topic, and if they're posted in the wrong section, they're quite quickly moved to a proper location. MINI2 *does* have more helpful insights from people like MINIGuy, but MCO has Dan from the Tire Rack, who i've found to be invaluable. Granted he's been very helpful in a very limited way (only wheels and tires) and MINIGuy has a very broad range of knowledge... As its been said, both have their strenghts, both have their weaknesses.

Both are great sites, with lots of valuable information. MINI2 tends to have more (too much?) information that can often get off-topic and inflamatory. MCO tends to have more civil conversations that only lack in the depth of the conversation.

*Disclaimer* Sorry if anyone was offended by anything i wrote, or felt that it was simply untrue. There are definitely lots of instances when what i said could be reversed, but I think my statements will hold up as generalizations. The generalizations may not apply to all the sections on MCO, as i only visit a few with any regularity...(I'm glad to say that this disclaimer problably isn't needed on MCO, but probably would be on MINI2 )

 

>>I like Moonpie, but WAY too many "Doms" over there!

Forgive the newbie type of question, what are "Doms"?

 

"Dom" is the username of a regular poster over on MINI2. I believe that's what is meant by that. (I guess he's not universally liked....although i haven't had a problem with him)

 

I'm still in shock from the '******' site. 2minis strikes again!!!