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R50/53 Best brake setup for stock size calipers/ rotors

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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 08:04 AM
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This thread is going to take a turn very quickly... sorry OP, but you got the answer you need, so the rest of this is just filler.

Originally Posted by MiniManAdam
so my buddy who tracks his r56 every year and has personally did stock vs drilled n slotted ect experimenting which was best setup.. for hard short braking , you need absolutely as much cooling as possible..
Cool story. But, you aren't your buddy. You aren't a source that should be trusted for any reasonable piece of advice other than for the next owner of the cars you have touched, so they know what is broken.
Also, you don't know what you're talking about, especially when it's related to this conversation -- specifically the use case in which the OP is looking for the best brakes for his street setup.

id LOVE to race some of you know it alls in my mini and just EAT YOURS ALIVE with mine..
Is that your basis of "I know what I'm doing"? Adorable.

My R53, with mods, was purchased for $1400. You spent that on hilarious junk like tow-hooks for your hardparking, and fake carbon fiber junk.
I have two other cars, that I'm 100% certain that you and your Mini would never catch on a road course, unless I stop and grill up a steak, clean the interior, and swap the brakes. Only then would you finally catch up when I get the last wheel bolted up.


and then I sit here too and laugh at all the issues your cars are having but yet yours are put together sooooooooo much better ..hahaha ya, go read my posts fool.
I have, comical. The ebay wing is a nice touch. project "rice" indeed.

 
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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MiniManAdam
Lol ok..so my buddy who tracks his r56 every year and has personally did stock vs drilled n slotted ect experimenting which was best setup.. for hard short braking , you need absolutely as much cooling as possible..this isn't the 70s and tech has changed , even how they now add the hole and slots to the rotors has changed so they don't crack like they used to..I won't argue anymore with some of ur guys nonsense . Just like trying to say stock intercoolers are the 2nd best you can have lololol i personally debunked that with just a cheap ebay bigger one. Showed other members my results and they've bought them too and are loving them. O yea, my cheap injector upgrade too others tried calling me out for.. id LOVE to race some of you know it alls in my mini and just EAT YOURS ALIVE with mine.. and then I sit here too and laugh at all the issues your cars are having but yet yours are put together sooooooooo much better ..hahaha ya, go read my posts fool.
.....I have something much faster than a MINI in my garage....if straight line acceleration is the goal
 
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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SupeR53
15" Wheels won't clear the R56 calipers in front.My daughter just went through this when her '08 Justa got totaled and she bought an '07 MCS, the 15" wheels just won't clear the R56 calipers.
Originally Posted by SupeR53
Let me rephrase that... The stock Justa 15" wheels didn't clear the R56 calipers.
Don't miss that we were talking about R56 JUSTA brakes (280 mm), not R56 MCS brakes (294 mm). R56 JUSTA brakes easily fit under 15" wheels. R56 Justas used to come with 15" wheels from factory. Rephrasing doesn't change much on that. R56 Justa and S = same calipers, but different brackets, different size rotors and slightly different pads. There's a reason the brackets say 'TRW15' and 'TRW16'.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2020 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by IQRaceworks
This. At least on the street....solid OEM type rotors will stop you faster than drilled and slotted rotors. I have to laugh at all the guys I see with their new drilled and slotted rotors, and how they stop "so much faster now". Nope....sorry.
Originally Posted by 930 Engineering
Don't miss that we were talking about R56 JUSTA brakes (280 mm), not R56 MCS brakes (294 mm). R56 JUSTA brakes easily fit under 15" wheels. R56 Justas used to come with 15" wheels from factory. Rephrasing doesn't change much on that. R56 Justa and S = same calipers, but different brackets, different size rotors and slightly different pads. There's a reason the brackets say 'TRW15' and 'TRW16'.
Really useful and practical post- I knew about the brackets from all the reading on this topic, but I still had not understood that the rotors were different sized. This 3 sentence post is basically the whole swap in a nutshell! Thanks!
 
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Old Feb 11, 2024 | 11:54 AM
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Brake fade and performance.

Brakes are like any other performance part. Each part has its own level of durability be it billet or carbon fibre. The key is finding balance based on the materials and also dimensions. Everything needs to be considered, driving style , load and frequency of use be it high or low. There is no point in getting a big brake kit if you gonna be doing 60km/h 90% of the time, your brakes need a certain level of good operating temperatures based off driving style. If you driving quick all the time from light to light , on narrow winding roads , yes you will benefit from slotted and drilled rotors (which helps keep temps in ideal range for that style of driving) if it's track racing , slotted,drilled and thickness aswell materials will all come into play to keep the rotors in ideal operating conditions. A great brake system is one that is balanced for your style of driving and what you are using the car for. To keep carbon ceramics in ideal temps on the road is a lot harder than when it's on the track but steel rotors is a lot easier to keep temps in check on the road but if you always using the brakes and feeling it's fading after heavy use... Even though you swapped out brake pads you still getting brake fade that's when you should consider vented rotors with little bit of drilled and slotted patterns.

Start with brake pads, brake lines, brake fluid then once you did all this and you still getting brake fade , then move to vented rotors etc and if that Fales then you will need a big brake kit etc until you get your perfect brake pedal feel based off your style of driving.
 
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