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Old Nov 20, 2018 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Minidogger
What temp are you painting at? Needs to be at least 60F in my experience.

Yesterday I did some spray paint in cold (40F) garage but had a quartz heater pointed at the surface. Also heated the paint can before hand. Even then the solvent was slow to flash off.
Yah I'm in NY and it's in the low forties. I heated the cans in 130 degree hot water from the sink - let it soak in there a few minutes - then I shook the can for a solid minute. Then I replaced the water again and double bowled it, brought it outside. I think the problem was most likely me not misting the first coat lightly enough plus the car is outdoors and it was cold. I will try to time it with a warmer day but I'm certainly going in the wrong direction the longer I wait .

I will make sure to try and let it flash longer too. That was my inexperience .
 
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 01:04 PM
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Temps were "ok" today 42-45 so I decided to give it another go. This time I *REALLY REALLY REALLY* put on a LIGHT mist of primer as the first coat, let it sit for like 1 minute, then gently pointed my wife's new $200 hair dryer to give it some gentle heat. Then I let it sit for another minute before applying a second REALLY REALLY REALLY light coat on. Then rinse and repeat I ended up with 5 light coats of primer.

I let it dry for 2.5 hours (instead of the 1 hour on the can) and came back, sanded with 600grit dry, wiped with degreaser, and then applied 2 REALLY REALLY light coats of base coat paint.........

AND THEN I FRIGGIN RAN OUT OF GODDAMN PAINT GODDMAN IT. SO NOW I HAVE TO WAIT AGAIN FOR THE PAINT. $(*&#(*&^@#(*^&%*&$^&^#^&$(y&*)@!g*y$.

Last time it took 11 days to process and now with Thanksgiving jesus christ I wonder how long it's going to take. Goddamn it to hell.

But at least I got something on there so I won't have to worry about moister penetrating with the car cover.

So here are pics after the 2nd coat of super light primer........





 
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 01:05 PM
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Here it is after 2 coats of paint.







 
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ECSTuning
Well done, mine is going to need done again.
Thanks. If you did it the first time why do you have to do it again? The rust came back? Did you seal at the seam on the bottom of the taillight well? Got pics?
 
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 01:22 PM
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Yep, and it's out of warranty. The first time it was done in rust warranty by MINI. Just started to bubble again. Dang ohio salt.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ECSTuning
Yep, and it's out of warranty. The first time it was done in rust warranty by MINI. Just started to bubble again. Dang ohio salt.
Did you seal the seam or just left it painted? I wonder if they did the right thing or if they just took a shortcut.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 02:41 PM
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They painted over the seam, but they replaced the whole panel with new. It was to the MINI specs. They don't seal the seam. On the part that touched another old panel they sealed them
 
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ECSTuning
They painted over the seam, but they replaced the whole panel with new. It was to the MINI specs. They don't seal the seam. On the part that touched another old panel they sealed them
Hm well I took preventative measures (hopefully) on my 06 gp and one the good taillight.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 02:53 PM
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Yep,

Tailgate around the stamp out for the lights/grip handle is doing it also again.
 
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Old Nov 21, 2018 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ECSTuning
Yep,

Tailgate around the stamp out for the lights/grip handle is doing it also again.
Is the due to the foam between the boot handle and boot that causes thus? A few years back I replaced that foam because I had a puddle of water in the boot.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2018 | 10:07 AM
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Nope, Stamped metal with very little paint and primer.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2018 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ECSTuning
Nope, Stamped metal with very little paint and primer.
Going to take a peek at my boothandle then. I would suggest you protect that seam in the taillight area when you redo with some rubberized coating. It lays on pretty thick and you can't see any of it if you tape well as the taillight hides everything.

Sitting here just waiting for my damn paint to arrive. Argh .
 
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Old Nov 27, 2018 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jk6672
What causes the water problem under the door seal? Is it the seal itself?


This is a different issue.. sort of. With the door seals, it looks as if the jig that held the car during it's "anti-rust bath" (for lack of a better term) and paint process did not allow for about an inch to an inch and half area that did not get anti-rust or paint. This area is towards the front bottom of each door jamb - more often on the right side, about 3 inches or so from where it curves up. Lift and you shall either see rust or paint. It isn't the seals but it is the seals because they hold the water on untreated and unpainted metal.

The tail light issue is just a f***-up on MINI's part that they have been very successful at denying.
 
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Old Nov 28, 2018 | 11:59 AM
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While I'm waiting for the damn paint to arrive, I painted my cowl scoops on my 06 GP.

Anyone want to guess what color they are? I've included before and after pics.

Not perfect but much better than what was there before. I painted them originally back in 2004 when I had my 04 MCS and as you can see the clear just eventually peeled off.









In the below pic I used 3M Scratch Remover on the left cowl and had not applied it yet to the right (by hand).

 

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Old Dec 3, 2018 | 01:48 PM
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Currently 47 degrees. Laid down 4 more coats of lightly applied base color........now going to let it dry for two hours. Shouldn't get below 45 till 3am or something. Then will come super light coats of clear............Keeping my fingers crossed here! Tomorrow's high is 36 so I'd much rather finish tonight.






 
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Old Dec 3, 2018 | 07:23 PM
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Ok got like 3-4 thin coats of clear on and I think we're good to go!

Going to let it cure for 2 or 3 days......It's going to be cold low of 25 tomorrow so hopefully nothing happens........








 
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That is looking good. I may have missed it but what is on the cowls?
 
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Originally Posted by I like mini clubman's
That is looking good. I may have missed it but what is on the cowls?
Thanks. Nothing on them - I was asking if anyone could tell what color I painted them the other day .
 
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Old Dec 3, 2018 | 09:06 PM
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Well it looks like a nice dark chrome 😎
 
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Old Dec 3, 2018 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by I like mini clubman's
Well it looks like a nice dark chrome 😎
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Haha. Everyone has been saying that.....but they are black!!!!
 
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Ok today is Thursday. I let the clear dry for 3 days and it's about 39 degrees outside. I wet sanded with soapy hot water in a spray bottle, a sponge, and 1500, 2000, 3000, and 5000 sandpaper. Then I buffed with a wool attachment and 3m Scratch Remover. I'd say it came out pretty awesome. It's definitely NOT perfect - in fact I probably should have put 2 or 3 more light coats of base paint on there.....I can sort of see the primer on the passenger side........Oh well, first time doing it so I'm ok with that. Main goal was to stop the rust, build the body back up, and paint it...............and not spend oodles of $$$. Mission accomplished. I'm sure if I had done it in the warmer months I would not have had these issues. However, many lessons learned.

I also spent the day scraping away the rust in the door sills on this car. Sprayed some rust reformer on them, let it dry, then hit it with the 3m Rubberized undercoating.

Here are pics after wet sanding:





 
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Old Dec 6, 2018 | 11:51 AM
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Here are pics after polishing. I did get a little chip on the inner part of the taillight recess so I decided to hit the inside of the driver side taillight with the 3m rubberized undercoating as well. The passenger side has it already but the overspray from the paint kind of hid it.










 
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Old Dec 6, 2018 | 11:53 AM
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And here are pics of the rust in the door sills.








 
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Awesome post. Tackling this project in the upcoming weeks...
 
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Originally Posted by Serenity Now
Awesome post. Tackling this project in the upcoming weeks...
Thanks. It ended up pretty good.......for now..... I learned my lesson on painting in the cold. I did put quite a few light coats of base (at least 5).......but when it was wet it looked like it covered the primer just fine..........days later not so much! So I can see the primer behind the paint faintly.......and you can' t really tell in most of the pictures........I should have laid it on thicker on the last few coats.......

But basically my advice is get a heated paint area unless you absolutely have to do it outside like I did.

Good luck!
 
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