R50/53 Supercharger/Water Pump Questions
Supercharger/Water Pump Questions
I have searched quite a bit on the internets but haven't found a good comparison of options for when the PTO fails as far as reliability, cost, and performance. My mini is fine for now but I like to have a plan if the dreaded marbles in a coffee can sound rears its ugly head from the engine bay. I know you can replace the supercharger with the same one but you're stuck with the same PTO problem. I've seen some who did an electric water pump which I find attractive because you bypass the PTO issue and it should free up engine drag because the motor no longer has to drive the water pump. I don't know the cost, performance, and reliability of this option. Also I hear a few aftermarket superchargers have an electric water pump?
Can anyone break down these options for me? Appreciated!
Can anyone break down these options for me? Appreciated!
Been discussed many times...
But the simple fact is the SC is a WEAR item...
It is a big airpump, and eventually looses efficiency...
Some folks yank off the SC, and check the lube level, and refil as needed,...
This is about a 5 your job for a pro, and needs about $100-150 in gaskets, lube, etc...
My feeling is, it is nothing more than a $$ stopgap, since if the seals on the SC are leaking, you are going to go low again, and likely very fast...
A rebuilt SC with exchange is under $1000 for a top quality unit, and close to $600 for a cheap one...the labor to change one is MORE THAN THE SC...so pay for the labour ONCE, and you should be good for 10+ years.....lube it...might get a few more...overall costs higher unless you diy it.
Folks have talked if electric pumps, etc...none really work well on a daily driver.....and just load up the alternator, and adds one more failure point, with folks having multiple failures of electric pumps...
No electric pump will ever be as efficient as a directly connected mechanical pump...
Sure you might get a higher "peak" up on a dyno by a HALF a HP...but remember, a MINI is NOT A SPRINTER...IT IS A CURVY ROAD CRUISER...
On a side note...
I had a spare SC on the shelf for about 5 years...never used it...had my 2005 S for 10 years...fear of the SC failure Overblown? Maybe.
Mini basivly said the design life of the SC is about 10 years...then r/r the unit due to the labour involved when it fails...IMO this seems right.
But the simple fact is the SC is a WEAR item...
It is a big airpump, and eventually looses efficiency...
Some folks yank off the SC, and check the lube level, and refil as needed,...
This is about a 5 your job for a pro, and needs about $100-150 in gaskets, lube, etc...
My feeling is, it is nothing more than a $$ stopgap, since if the seals on the SC are leaking, you are going to go low again, and likely very fast...
A rebuilt SC with exchange is under $1000 for a top quality unit, and close to $600 for a cheap one...the labor to change one is MORE THAN THE SC...so pay for the labour ONCE, and you should be good for 10+ years.....lube it...might get a few more...overall costs higher unless you diy it.
Folks have talked if electric pumps, etc...none really work well on a daily driver.....and just load up the alternator, and adds one more failure point, with folks having multiple failures of electric pumps...
No electric pump will ever be as efficient as a directly connected mechanical pump...
Sure you might get a higher "peak" up on a dyno by a HALF a HP...but remember, a MINI is NOT A SPRINTER...IT IS A CURVY ROAD CRUISER...
On a side note...
I had a spare SC on the shelf for about 5 years...never used it...had my 2005 S for 10 years...fear of the SC failure Overblown? Maybe.
Mini basivly said the design life of the SC is about 10 years...then r/r the unit due to the labour involved when it fails...IMO this seems right.
Been discussed many times...
But the simple fact is the SC is a WEAR item...
It is a big airpump, and eventually looses efficiency...
Some folks yank off the SC, and check the lube level, and refil as needed,...
This is about a 5 your job for a pro, and needs about $100-150 in gaskets, lube, etc...
My feeling is, it is nothing more than a $$ stopgap, since if the seals on the SC are leaking, you are going to go low again, and likely very fast...
A rebuilt SC with exchange is under $1000 for a top quality unit, and close to $600 for a cheap one...the labor to change one is MORE THAN THE SC...so pay for the labour ONCE, and you should be good for 10+ years.....lube it...might get a few more...overall costs higher unless you diy it.
Folks have talked if electric pumps, etc...none really work well on a daily driver.....and just load up the alternator, and adds one more failure point, with folks having multiple failures of electric pumps...
No electric pump will ever be as efficient as a directly connected mechanical pump...
Sure you might get a higher "peak" up on a dyno by a HALF a HP...but remember, a MINI is NOT A SPRINTER...IT IS A CURVY ROAD CRUISER...
On a side note...
I had a spare SC on the shelf for about 5 years...never used it...had my 2005 S for 10 years...fear of the SC failure Overblown? Maybe.
Mini basivly said the design life of the SC is about 10 years...then r/r the unit due to the labour involved when it fails...IMO this seems right.
But the simple fact is the SC is a WEAR item...
It is a big airpump, and eventually looses efficiency...
Some folks yank off the SC, and check the lube level, and refil as needed,...
This is about a 5 your job for a pro, and needs about $100-150 in gaskets, lube, etc...
My feeling is, it is nothing more than a $$ stopgap, since if the seals on the SC are leaking, you are going to go low again, and likely very fast...
A rebuilt SC with exchange is under $1000 for a top quality unit, and close to $600 for a cheap one...the labor to change one is MORE THAN THE SC...so pay for the labour ONCE, and you should be good for 10+ years.....lube it...might get a few more...overall costs higher unless you diy it.
Folks have talked if electric pumps, etc...none really work well on a daily driver.....and just load up the alternator, and adds one more failure point, with folks having multiple failures of electric pumps...
No electric pump will ever be as efficient as a directly connected mechanical pump...
Sure you might get a higher "peak" up on a dyno by a HALF a HP...but remember, a MINI is NOT A SPRINTER...IT IS A CURVY ROAD CRUISER...
On a side note...
I had a spare SC on the shelf for about 5 years...never used it...had my 2005 S for 10 years...fear of the SC failure Overblown? Maybe.
Mini basivly said the design life of the SC is about 10 years...then r/r the unit due to the labour involved when it fails...IMO this seems right.
Sounds like you're saying replace the supercharger when it goes, electric pumps aren't really viable for a DD?
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