R50/53 Emergency Plastic Key
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From: SE Michigan
Originally Posted by Apex
One more thing about keys. (I am speaking from a BMW standpoint, MCS is on order). When BMW builds a car, they make 10 keys at that time. 4 are sent with the car. Two masters, a valet, and a wallet key. The others are kept in a vault in Germany (REALLY!) That leaves 6 left. If all keys are lost, the whole car has to be re-keyed. All locks, ignition cylinder, and the control unit that ties it all together. Very expensive! BMW can not reproduce another key, due to the rolling coding, etc it has to be done all at once.
Also for this reason, if a dealer looses a key, before the vehicle is sold, they are required (by BMW NA) to re-key the vehicle. This way the customer still has access to all 10 keys.
To the best of my knoledge, MINI is the same way. So do not loose too many keys!
Also for this reason, if a dealer looses a key, before the vehicle is sold, they are required (by BMW NA) to re-key the vehicle. This way the customer still has access to all 10 keys.
To the best of my knoledge, MINI is the same way. So do not loose too many keys!
I would like some of what you've been smoking
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Maybe this will kill the thread... From flying cars to flying squirrels... I think we need to stick to the flying rodents... I'm beginning to think that the Illuminati provide the keys to our MINIs... When BMW builds a car, they make 10 keys at that time. 
Dam, I think this thread is starting to devolve; let's bring it to an end, please.
I think all MINI owners are people claiming to be unusually enlightened with regard to the plastic key subject.
Charles
Dam, I think this thread is starting to devolve; let's bring it to an end, please.
I think all MINI owners are people claiming to be unusually enlightened with regard to the plastic key subject.
Charles
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Originally Posted by CharlesWil
Maybe this will kill the thread... From flying cars to flying squirrels... I think we need to stick to the flying rodents... I'm beginning to think that the Illuminati provide the keys to our MINIs... When BMW builds a car, they make 10 keys at that time.
Dam, I think this thread is starting to devolve; let's bring it to an end, please.
I think all MINI owners are people claiming to be unusually enlightened with regard to the plastic key subject.
Charles
Dam, I think this thread is starting to devolve; let's bring it to an end, please.
I think all MINI owners are people claiming to be unusually enlightened with regard to the plastic key subject.
Charles
Now back to the rodents
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From: A Den in Maryland
I've heard that if you start the car 43 times with the plastic key, the onboard computer will scroll a list of all your AIM buddies across the display, and the auto a/c display will turn into a flower. But only if you send this to ten of your fellow MINI owner friends first.
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From: So Cal
Originally Posted by Apex
One more thing about keys. (I am speaking from a BMW standpoint, MCS is on order). When BMW builds a car, they make 10 keys at that time. 4 are sent with the car. Two masters, a valet, and a wallet key. The others are kept in a vault in Germany (REALLY!) That leaves 6 left. If all keys are lost, the whole car has to be re-keyed. All locks, ignition cylinder, and the control unit that ties it all together. Very expensive! BMW can not reproduce another key, due to the rolling coding, etc it has to be done all at once.
Also for this reason, if a dealer looses a key, before the vehicle is sold, they are required (by BMW NA) to re-key the vehicle. This way the customer still has access to all 10 keys.
To the best of my knoledge, MINI is the same way. So do not loose too many keys!
Also for this reason, if a dealer looses a key, before the vehicle is sold, they are required (by BMW NA) to re-key the vehicle. This way the customer still has access to all 10 keys.
To the best of my knoledge, MINI is the same way. So do not loose too many keys!
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From: Plymouth, MN
It's REALLY not hard to check on some of this.
Just take a look at the datasheets for the immobilizer chip used in the MINI keys.
It's super easy to see that BMW would not need to make extra keys at the factory because of the rolling-code used in the chip.
It's also easy to see how they could add another chip to the list of chips allowed to start the car if you lost all your keys.
PCF 7930 AS
http://www.semiconductors.philips.co...mmobilization/
http://www.semiconductors.philips.co.../transponders/
http://www.semiconductors.philips.co...pcf7935-pp.pdf
It's super easy to see that BMW would not need to make extra keys at the factory because of the rolling-code used in the chip.
It's also easy to see how they could add another chip to the list of chips allowed to start the car if you lost all your keys.
PCF 7930 AS
http://www.semiconductors.philips.co...mmobilization/
http://www.semiconductors.philips.co.../transponders/
http://www.semiconductors.philips.co...pcf7935-pp.pdf
ok, what goes bad in the key fob, i opened mine up, (does not work anyhow), i tracked down a vender for the rechargable battery, with holder, old battery needs to be unsoldered from the board, new resoldered in, $5, my question is, is it the battery or the key fobs failed recharging circuitry? second part, if a i buy a working remote, put the guts into my blade, just need to know what the immobilizerr chip looks like and slip in to the key fob!
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