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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 05:38 PM
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[font=serif]Much has been written about the infamous Lucas electrical parts that were found on almost all early British cars. They were so notoriously unreliable that owners would joke about Lucas, the Prince of Darkness. Here is a [/font]collection of Prince of Darkness jokes courtesy of Paul Mossberg, New Jersey Replicar Club, February 2001
  • The Lucas motto: "Get home before dark."
  • Lucas denies having invented darkness. But they still claim "sudden, unexpected darkness"
  • Lucas--inventor of the first intermittent wiper.
  • Lucas--inventor of the self-dimming headlamp.
  • The three-position Lucas switch--DIM, FLICKER and OFF. The other three switch settings--SMOKE, SMOLDER and IGNITE.
  • The original anti-theft devices--Lucas Electric products.
  • "I've had a Lucas pacemaker for years and have never experienced any prob..."
  • If Lucas made guns, wars would not start either.
  • Did you hear about the Lucas powered torpedo? It sank.
  • It's not true that Lucas, in 1947, tried to get Parliament to repeal Ohm's Law. They withdrew their efforts when they met too much resistance.
  • Did you hear the one about the guy that peeked into a Land Rover and asked the owner "How can you tell one switch from another at night, since they all look the same?" "He replied, it doesn't matter which one you use, nothing happens!"
  • Back in the '70s Lucas decided to diversify its product line and began manufacturing vacuum cleaners. It was the only product they offered which didn't suck.
  • Quality Assurance phoned and advised the Engineering guy that they had trouble with his design shorting out. So he made the wires longer.
  • Why do the English drink warm beer? Lucas made the refrigerators, too.
  • Alexander Graham Bell invented the Telephone. Thomas Edison invented the Light Bulb. Joseph Lucas invented the Short Circuit.
  • Recommended procedure before taking on a repair of Lucas equipment: check the position of the stars, kill a chicken and walk three times clockwise around your car chanting: "Oh mighty Prince of Darkness protect your unworthy servant."
  • Lucas systems actually uses AC current; it just has a random frequency.
 
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MINISQL
I was in the garage cleaning out my tool box and my son had picked up my feeler gauge. He asked me what it was for, and I demonstrated the different thickness sleeves and that I used it to set the points on the MG I used to have.
"What are points?" he asked, and it suddenly struck me how much time I used to spend puttering around in the garage doing these little maintenance chores on my cars that are totally unknown to most young drivers today. We simply get in and turn the key and go.But I remember the jokes we used to tell around the parts store where we used to congregate on Saturday mornings... Why do Englishmen drink warm beer? a FIAT owner would ask a Triumph driver... Because they all have Lucas refridgerators! was the reply from the back of the store where they were aligning and tightening the spokes on a wire wheel.
The British were the Kings of the sports car world back then, Triumphs, MGs, Austin Healeys, and the rare and beautiful Lotus, but the all required constant maintenance. Adjusting twin sidedraft SU carburettors, refilling shock absorbers with oil, filing and adjusting points and plugs, adjusting rear drum brakes, setting valve clearances. All these things we used to do, just to have fun on Sunday morning at the Autocross. These things were many times done in the back parking lot of the parts store where the owner would usually give you advise and lend you his tools, along with the 10 or 15 other guys that were standing around drinking Cokes and bench racing. Every time you got in your car was an adventure, wondering if it would start when you turned the key, and how far would it go before it died by the side of the road. No wonder we went in groups!
But thats all gone now, cars last more than 100,000 miles, we get more miles out of an oil change than we used to out of a valve job, and we do our bench racing on a computer at the speed of light with people around the world.
This little MINI that I've had for 2 years brings all of that back for me, oh, not the reliability issues, but the fun I used to have, the camaraderie I enjoyed so much. That when I mention the sweet spot at 4300 rpm, you all know what I'm talking about and have felt it too. This is what I enjoy about this website and it is why this will be the closest I will get to making a political statement on these forums. I leave that world behind when I log on and I hope that I can bring some joy, or thoughtful discussion to these forums, about the MINI and motoring enjoyment. I doubt that any of you could change my political views, or that I could change yours, these are things that are developed through life experience and in most cases are based on core beliefs that will not be altered by e-mail or epithets.
Now, if you will excuse me, I have whitworth wrenches to sort and clean.
Motor On
Looks like I'm almost as old as you I have a gap guage that I use to pick my nails with

My first three cars were Triumph GT-6s. I miss the great day I had doing donuts in snow covered park untill I hit a hidden curb that left me limping all the way home
 

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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 07:24 PM
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Mine was a Spitfire, too! Great fun and sorely missed..............until my MINI got here!
 
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 08:20 PM
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British sports car's

Guess I had more time then. Had a 1964 Austin Healy 3000 Mark II which I lost to a fire, replaced that with a 1967 Austin Healy 3000 Mark III and it even had roll up window's ( did the fork oil trick to the shocks too). Used to tune my friends cars and I know I still have a set SU's in the garage from a MG Midget. Remember when Tach's were cable driven. That was all fun at the time and I was dead into it but you know what? This MCS is more fun to drive.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 06:28 PM
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Having owned a TR3, Sprite, 1966 Mini Cooper S, Jag 3.8 saloon, etc., I am still amazed the new Mini starts every time and leaves no oil spots on the paving.

Icing on the cake for me!

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Red
 
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 07:36 PM
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Great reading about all our OLD fun times with the early Sports cars :smile: I also have many fond memories of Morris Minors,Morris mini,MG Midget
spitfire,MG 1100,AH 106,Jags ,Fiat 124 sport & spyder and more.
Ha my first Love told me you Love your cars more than me-not really they
always needed attention
I am so pleased that I can just turn the key in my MINI and GO !!
We had the old 911 SC out the other weekend and it let us sit !! Our son
remarked sooo Dad that is what it was like back in the OLDEN DAYS
Motor On
 
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JCIP
I could have sworn that the phrase was: Lucas, the people who invented darkness! When you say adventure, I couldn't help but think about the electrical dash fire...after dark, in mid winter, miles from anywhere, and miles to go! This was in a AH Sprite, interesting, not the last!
mmmm- carbequed Spridget on the hoof!

My best Lucas experience involved my first MGB and a traffic stop. Back around 1992, I was cruising along a multi-lane highway at a spirited clip. It was shortly after sunset- right about that time that the daylight has waned enough that one needs lights on to see, not just to be seen... and a police cruiser snagged me. The usual transaction with license, registration, etc. ensued...and as luck would have it, right about the moment he asked me "why were you going so fast?", my nose picked up the telltale acrid odor of smoldering plastic. This was followed in rapid succession by a spiralling wisp of smoke rising from the steering column around the headlamp switch. (Lucas design slogan- "Relays? We don't need no steenking relays! ") Without missing a beat, I pointed at the plume and replied, in my best apologetic tone, "Because that's my lights...and I still have almost 5 miles to go to make it to my house..."

After he considered the situation for a moment , the officer stepped back to his cruiser, and returned shortly with two warnings- a written one to slow down and verbal one to get that fixed! He also offered to call for a tow. He cut me loose with a stern admonition to go straight home, since, as any self-respecting LBC owner would, I declined the flatbed.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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i am glad i have had the chance to learn that stuff. i am 18 and i got to work at a classic car shop for the summer and serviced and repaired MG's, Triumphs, Jags and such. I learned so much from that about carbs and brake systems, all of it was really interesting. now on my car if anything breaks I wouldnt try to fix it, its off to the dealer.

this may lead to the downfall of future classic collecting becuase the average gearhead would have a tough time understanding what is going on. you would need to suplement your wrenches and tools with a computer and OBD-II error message listings to know what the check engine light is trying to say. i dunno but i would say by the time our cars are considered a classic, the hobby will be strained and changed.
 
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Old Jun 13, 2004 | 11:23 PM
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My second job in college was as an apprentice mechanic (read car cleaner to start) at Forest City Imported Cars in Rockford Illinois. what days of fun once i graduated to prepping cars and then actually working on them (nothing like syinching carbs on the V12) or pulling out grenaded Spitfire engines out of cars with less than a hundred miles on them cuz of over torqued bolts on the air cleaner.......or seized MGB engines cuz some bright soild at the factory kept forgetting to put a copper washer under some bolt.........I became VERY adept at using test lights and ohm meters as well......fond memories......me iIowned a Fiat at the time.........1200 Two seater...prettiest thing ever probably....slow but...it didn't leak and it didn't short circuit and it definetely did not grenade or seize its engine.......
 
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 08:51 AM
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I've owned five MGBs in my life and haven't been w/o at least one since 1984. Still own my '69 today. Very reliable since a complete nuts and bolt resto in 2000. Of course I also changed the dodgy Lucas alternator for a Bosch and added relays to everything, upgraded the wiring so it can handle the added power to Halogen lights and stereo, higher power single 12 volt battery instead of the measly twin 6 volts.


Sure after ~~~ that its been dandy .

I guess you have to add a little German to the English

Luis
 

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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pocketrocketowner
My second job in college was as an apprentice mechanic (read car cleaner to start) at Forest City Imported Cars in Rockford Illinois. what days of fun once i graduated to prepping cars and then actually working on them (nothing like syinching carbs on the V12) or pulling out grenaded Spitfire engines out of cars with less than a hundred miles on them cuz of over torqued bolts on the air cleaner.......or seized MGB engines cuz some bright soild at the factory kept forgetting to put a copper washer under some bolt.........I became VERY adept at using test lights and ohm meters as well......fond memories......me iIowned a Fiat at the time.........1200 Two seater...prettiest thing ever probably....slow but...it didn't leak and it didn't short circuit and it definetely did not grenade or seize its engine.......
You were lucky. My buddy had a red two seater spyder. Don't know the number, but he had quite a few problems. He told me FIAT stood for Fix It Again Tony. It was a sweet ride though. Another friend had the x/19 that was a nightmare electrically. But once again..loads of fun.


Paul
 
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 02:57 PM
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Worst of both worlds

In 1969 I purchased a spanking new Triumph Spitfire as I went off to dental school. The local dealer in Cleveland, Ohio was Jaguar Cleveland. The first time I went there for service they had a Jaguar V-12 and a DeTomaso Mangusta in the showroom. Worst of both worlds - I was paying Jaguar prices to service my Triumph!

I had a lot of fun with it. I now know that speedo cables always blow at 105 MPH. The engine can be removed from the car and rebuilt in the basement with only a few guys to help lift it. And Woodhead Shocks are no better than stock. The Lucas electrics would always fail in the rain, which was odd because I thought it rained a lot in England.

You can't beat a Lotus Elan or Super 7 gymkhana racing in it. Nor a full-race Mini cooper S, which 4 strong guys could lift off the trailer. But you could make Boss 302 Mustang owners feel really bad!
 
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