Love the engine in my MCS. The v.36 software eliminated the stumble. I am currently getting over 30 mpg commuting to work. The spark plugs are a snap to change, no timing belt to change (uses a chain), and it really gets up and moves when you press the pedal to the metal for passing. Here is a photo of base Cooper engine.....




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2004 MCS - Pepper White/ Black

 

Beauty in it's simplicity. What a lovely piece of engineering.
Can't wait until mine arrives.
Great photo.

 

not an s but i love mine too

 

>>Beauty in it's simplicity. What a lovely piece of engineering.

Please. There are good things to say about this engine, but it is far from beautiful. This, on the other hand...

 

That is a nice picture of the Tritec. How long did it take you to get it out of your car so you could snap that photo?

 

That engine has a timing belt

 

Speltzer, glad you like your motor.

It works a lot better when it's actually in the car.

 

Actually I love this motor, and I think it will be a shame for BMW to go with a Peugot engine. I think time will show the reliability of this engine will exceed expectations. These small Chrysler 4-cylinders are great and can take a lot of abuse. I know that BBR stated that they had a hard time making one break. I think Chrylser has much more experience and a better reputation at making 4-cylinder gas engines than Peugot has. Most of Peugot's line are diesels and that is where most of their experience lies.

 

Don't see the supercharger...is this the MC (and not the MCS) engine?

 

The MINI will be even less British if they allow the dastardly FRENCH to lay their hands on it

 

Yeah those engines are nice...but this one is nicer

 

The TRITEC is a grossly underrated piece of work. One of the most solid, economical, reliable and I should say smooth engines in its class. I enjoy both my 1.6L N/A and Supercharged version of this engine. No wonder the 1.6L in the MCS was awarded as one of the 10 best engines in the world by Wards Auto for 2003.

I love this engine because it doesn't have DOHC or Variable valve timing. It is simple, lightweight, powerful and gets the job done with no much fuss. I love simple powerplants, but then again I am a sucker for American pushrods...

 

Oh yeah and the 1.6L TRITEC does indeed have a metal TIMING CHAIN not a RUBBER TIMINI BELT.

 

>>Actually I love this motor, and I think it will be a shame for BMW to go with a Peugot engine. I think time will show the reliability of this engine will exceed expectations. These small Chrysler 4-cylinders are great and can take a lot of abuse. I know that BBR stated that they had a hard time making one break. I think Chrylser has much more experience and a better reputation at making 4-cylinder gas engines than Peugot has. Most of Peugot's line are diesels and that is where most of their experience lies.

Things to remember: BMW and PSA (Puegoet/Citroen) have jointly engineered developed the new engine. The MINI version will be tailored to BMW specifications and built in England and the Harms plant down the road from the Oxford MINI plant.

Now compare that to the current tri-tec engine which was engineered by Chrysler with limited input from Rover engineers. Sure the current engine is a nice piece but from what I hear I think everyone will be blown away by what's coming in the next 2-5 years.

 

>>I love this engine because it doesn't have DOHC or Variable valve timing

Isnt DOHC and valve timing a good thing? Look at the Honda 1.8L B18C1, has all of the above and its a great engine :smile:

But I agree the Tritec is a good engine, I've had no problems so far

 

im alittle scared, puegot makes a good performance engine, but reliabilty thats a diffrent matter,look at there track record or should i say street record.....

 

>>im alittle scared, puegot makes a good performance engine, but reliabilty thats a diffrent matter,look at there track record or should i say street record.....

Puegot makes some a few good diesel engines, but not any petrol engines that I would feel confident to say is better than the tritec.

 

>>>>Actually I love this motor, and I think it will be a shame for BMW to go with a Peugot engine. I think time will show the reliability of this engine will exceed expectations. These small Chrysler 4-cylinders are great and can take a lot of abuse. I know that BBR stated that they had a hard time making one break. I think Chrylser has much more experience and a better reputation at making 4-cylinder gas engines than Peugot has. Most of Peugot's line are diesels and that is where most of their experience lies.
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>>Things to remember: BMW and PSA (Puegoet/Citroen) have jointly engineered developed the new engine. The MINI version will be tailored to BMW specifications and built in England and the Harms plant down the road from the Oxford MINI plant.
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>>Now compare that to the current tri-tec engine which was engineered by Chrysler with limited input from Rover engineers. Sure the current engine is a nice piece but from what I hear I think everyone will be blown away by what's coming in the next 2-5 years.

Gabe,

I am sure that the Peugot engine will have some neat wiz bang things to it, but in my opninion I still don't think it will be as solid as the Chrysler. I am also not that excited about a turbo if the rumors are true. I much more prefer the supercharger, regardless of the efficiency of the turbo and the ability to make it provide even more power. I hate the lag in turbos, and I like the uniqueness of a supercharger and the benefits of one. The fact that BMW worked with Peugot, doesn't mean a whole lot to me. A good engine is a good engine, and doesn't require the input of both the car's manufacturer and engine builder per se, unless of course you want a bunch of whiz bang stuff in it.

Another underated 4-cylinder is the Duratec and one I put in the same class as the Tritec. A very solid engine that has been used by GM for quite some time amongst many different cars. Extremely powerful. I have seen many people take these to 400-500hp with no change in internals. Heck Saturn got one to 1,100 hp without much changes to the internals in their Saturn 200mph breaker.

I really like our engine and will be very hesitant about going to a Peugot turbo.

 

30K miles on my S....can't wait till the Puegot engine arrives as this chrysler engine was not well thought out and pretty much is a dog compared to what the Puegot will be when it arrives.....watched a rally on TV last week and the Puegot totally blew away the Mitsu Evo & WRX, impressive performance.....sure BMW can't wait either to get out of the contract with Mopar, laugh !

 

I agree with most comments. The Tritec durability and simplicity (no DOHC, timing belt, variable valve timing) along with decent fuel mileage makes it a winner. I would be in no hurry to line up for the new engine from Puegot that will be installed in the Mini soon. They are great at diesels, but I am not sure about the gasoline powerplants.

 

>>30K miles on my S....can't wait till the Puegot engine arrives as this chrysler engine was not well thought out and pretty much is a dog compared to what the Puegot will be when it arrives.....watched a rally on TV last week and the Puegot totally blew away the Mitsu Evo & WRX, impressive performance.....sure BMW can't wait either to get out of the contract with Mopar, laugh !

Well heck if the Chrysler engine was not well thought out and it still was awarded one of the top ten engines of the year, what kinkd of award would it get if it had been well thought out???

 

What's up with the Puegot valve train height? That hood bubble is just wrong. The whole deal is over some contract and snotty engineers spouting performance.

Talking nuts and bolts, I'll take my Chrysler "old school" motor and clean hood lines over the new Mr. "Lumpy". Maybe we're shy a few ponies but current lines are easy on the eyes.

I'll rebuild this baby at 200K unless that new bugger proves it's the very one.

 

>>30K miles on my S....can't wait till the Puegot engine arrives as this chrysler engine was not well thought out and pretty much is a dog compared to what the Puegot will be when it arrives.....watched a rally on TV last week and the Puegot totally blew away the Mitsu Evo & WRX, impressive performance.....sure BMW can't wait either to get out of the contract with Mopar, laugh !

I hate to burst your bubble, but (and I could be wrong
:smile: ), the rally engine you saw is not going into the Mini. Would be cool, but not going to happen. Just because the company has a strong showing in rallys don't make there street engines any good. Peugot does have a good car, but it is not the Mini (in configuration or internals). This is much different for the EVO or the WRX where the ralley car is detuned and sold on the street.

I agree with White Knuckles, the hood bubble looks aweful. Not worth the purported 7 extra horsepower.

 

>>>>>>Actually I love this motor, and I think it will be a shame for BMW to go with a Peugot engine. I think time will show the reliability of this engine will exceed expectations. These small Chrysler 4-cylinders are great and can take a lot of abuse. I know that BBR stated that they had a hard time making one break. I think Chrylser has much more experience and a better reputation at making 4-cylinder gas engines than Peugot has. Most of Peugot's line are diesels and that is where most of their experience lies.
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>>>>Things to remember: BMW and PSA (Puegoet/Citroen) have jointly engineered developed the new engine. The MINI version will be tailored to BMW specifications and built in England and the Harms plant down the road from the Oxford MINI plant.
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>>>>Now compare that to the current tri-tec engine which was engineered by Chrysler with limited input from Rover engineers. Sure the current engine is a nice piece but from what I hear I think everyone will be blown away by what's coming in the next 2-5 years.
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>>Gabe,
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>>I am sure that the Peugot engine will have some neat wiz bang things to it, but in my opninion I still don't think it will be as solid as the Chrysler. I am also not that excited about a turbo if the rumors are true. I much more prefer the supercharger, regardless of the efficiency of the turbo and the ability to make it provide even more power. I hate the lag in turbos, and I like the uniqueness of a supercharger and the benefits of one. The fact that BMW worked with Peugot, doesn't mean a whole lot to me. A good engine is a good engine, and doesn't require the input of both the car's manufacturer and engine builder per se, unless of course you want a bunch of whiz bang stuff in it.
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>>Another underated 4-cylinder is the Duratec and one I put in the same class as the Tritec. A very solid engine that has been used by GM for quite some time amongst many different cars. Extremely powerful. I have seen many people take these to 400-500hp with no change in internals. Heck Saturn got one to 1,100 hp without much changes to the internals in their Saturn 200mph breaker.
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>>I really like our engine and will be very hesitant about going to a Peugot turbo.
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I really don't think the engine should be thought of as a Peugot turbo. The next MINIs engine will be much more unique to it then the current tritec. Secondly I mention BMW in part because they are known to make some of the best high-tech, longest lasting, best builtengines, in the world. Some key BMW technology will be built into the new MCS Turbo and the second generation of this engine.

 

If you guys wanna get picky i'd say you can't easily beat this 1001hp baby:





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