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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 04:24 PM
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Ok. First of all, how many people actually drive autos with two hands on the wheel? Really?
I drive with two hands on the wheel 90% of the time. Really. Thumbs on the thumb rests, ready to shift with either hand (though I usually shift with my right)... Only rarely will I actually rest one arm on an armrest while cruising on the interstate... But when I'm "sport driving", in twisties, both hands are ALWAYS on the wheel... and I think it's better. And I don't think anyone can rationally argue that you have better control of your car on the twisties with a manual... though they will certainly attempt to do so irrationally.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 04:35 PM
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...so true.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 04:56 PM
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I got a ride in a Maserati MC12

and that car only had paddles. Computer controlled clutchs. Talk about an "engaging" ride!

Just something to think about...

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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BlimeyCabrio
I drive with two hands on the wheel 90% of the time. Really. Thumbs on the thumb rests, ready to shift with either hand (though I usually shift with my right)... Only rarely will I actually rest one arm on an armrest while cruising on the interstate... But when I'm "sport driving", in twisties, both hands are ALWAYS on the wheel... and I think it's better. And I don't think anyone can rationally argue that you have better control of your car on the twisties with a manual... though they will certainly attempt to do so irrationally.
I hafta try to disagree, with a manual you can jump from 4th to second gear while dounle clutching heel-toe downshifting before a turn keep both your hands on the wheel into the turn. or actually sometimes you need the torque to get you back in line or kick clutch to get the car to rotate more... lol... this is hard but manual does have its advantages. This is coming from an experienced SMG driver in both an e46 m3 and an m5... the smg is waaay easier to control but what is the fun in that? haha
 
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Old Jun 16, 2008 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Myke@RPI
with a manual you can jump from 4th to second gear while double clutching heel-toe downshifting before a turn keep both your hands on the wheel into the turn.
Or I can flex my thumb muscle. Twice.... doesn't sound nearly as cool. But accomplishes the same thing....
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 04:54 AM
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When I was talking about people driving autos rarely having two hands on the wheel I was talking about the conventional auto, not paddle shifters! I should have specified. Cars with paddle shifters are very fun indeed, and it is engaging, for sure.

P.S. Dr. can you please stop bragging about all of the hot cars you've driven? (jealous....)
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 09:10 AM
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Or I can flex my thumb muscle. Twice.... doesn't sound nearly as cool. But accomplishes the same thing....
yes, but it has a slushbox!
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 09:43 AM
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I just hope they continue to give us a choice. It's really hard to find a car with a manual transmission (in the US anyway), and it's even more rare to find that manual transmission attached to the biggest or most powerful powerplant available on that car. This is where I think MINIs shine, they give the buyer a choice.

I will admit that some of the newest slushbox trannies are quite a feat of engineering. I'd still rather have a traditional manual gearbox as I just like the feeling that *I* ultimately decide what gear the car is in, along with the unrefined, archaic feel of having old technology delivering power from the engine to the wheels.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 10:19 AM
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Bah. It hasn't been fun since they put syncros in manual transmissions.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 01:09 PM
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Bah. It hasn't been fun since they put syncros in manual transmissions.
Yep. New-fangled technology is taking all the skill / engagement out of the driving experience.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 04:07 PM
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Naw...

it hasn't been fun since there was a crank sticking out the front and you did the timing with a lever on the steering wheel!

But slushbox isn't really correct for a lot of these cars. Many still have a fluid coupling, but some do not. the MC12 has no fluid coupling. This is where cars will go...

But as all this stuff comes on line, the cars surely are more capable. I'm looking at a late fifties alfa....

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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AKIndiMini
I just hope they continue to give us a choice. It's really hard to find a car with a manual transmission (in the US anyway), and it's even more rare to find that manual transmission attached to the biggest or most powerful powerplant available on that car. This is where I think MINIs shine, they give the buyer a choice.

I will admit that some of the newest slushbox trannies are quite a feat of engineering. I'd still rather have a traditional manual gearbox as I just like the feeling that *I* ultimately decide what gear the car is in, along with the unrefined, archaic feel of having old technology delivering power from the engine to the wheels.
I feel like most BBCs and the like have autos attatched to them. For that type of application I'd probably rather have an auto. Bring on the powerglide!
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AKIndiMini
I just hope they continue to give us a choice. It's really hard to find a car with a manual transmission (in the US anyway), and it's even more rare to find that manual transmission attached to the biggest or most powerful powerplant available on that car. This is where I think MINIs shine, they give the buyer a choice.

I will admit that some of the newest slushbox trannies are quite a feat of engineering. I'd still rather have a traditional manual gearbox as I just like the feeling that *I* ultimately decide what gear the car is in, along with the unrefined, archaic feel of having old technology delivering power from the engine to the wheels.
I agree..... the hubby just bought a Sky Redline, and they only had ONE manual on the lot! WTF? How could anyone buy a sporty, little turbo car without a MT??????

I believe all 4 of the ponies in our stables are manual
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 06:20 PM
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Well Saturn is a GM brand which caters mostly to the U.S., and because most Americans do not want a stick then they won't produce many of them. You would think that ample market research would have been done on this to warrant only ONE manual tranny on the lot.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 06:31 PM
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True.
If someone was in the market for a sports car, you should offer more than one manual option.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 07:08 PM
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True.
If someone was in the market for a sports car, you should offer more than one manual option.
Sad but true.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2008 | 10:23 PM
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C'mon, guys. It's America. Having to put down your latte just to change gears -that's sooo old school.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 04:46 AM
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Not a problem for me. I wear a latte helmet.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BlimeyCabrio
Not a problem for me. I wear a latte helmet.
You've had some hilarious posts in this thread Blimey.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2008 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BlimeyCabrio
Not a problem for me. I wear a latte helmet.
Ouch! We been punned!
 
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 04:52 AM
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I bet that latte helmet costs less then the Starbucks latte that you put in there!
 
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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Tru Dat.

 
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 01:10 PM
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BC, do these come with white tops?

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Tru Dat.

 
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 01:16 PM
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I sell white vinyl roofs as a dealer-installed option. You don't want to know the price.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2008 | 01:21 PM
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Well, I'm guessing that with those vinyl vortex generators it'll probably handle real well. Might be worth a small ransom. Gimme a couple of days to go plunder a small country.
 
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