I think that goes hand in hand with the tumbled air theory...

 

Really, I remember reading about a sizing change after a certain production date or getting an e-mail about this. I'm not totally certain right now.

Also, I never said I agreed with their wheels w/spacers, I don't own their wheels. So to answer your assumption, no, they haven't convinced me of anything with their wheels.

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Well, it is good to hear that they're treating you well. Can you talk about why they're giving you their products at cost?

 

if i was getting parts at cost i'd be on their jock too

now... out of curiosity, do you feel that the at cost price is comparable to their competitor's regular prices?
'cause honestly if it's coming out to be about the same price or more than competitor's regular prices you're still getting ripped off.

 

I'm with you auscoops.... The whole idea that there's any different between "tumbled" air and a smoothe flow of air being crammed into that tiny little area above/around the intercooler, without any clean path out/through the intercooler is just silly... we're not talking automotive aerodynamics here.. we're talking jamming air into a small box. Tumbled air or not.. there's probably more air being directed over the scoop because of the high pressure in that scoop area because of the lack of flow..

Ahh.. the world of 'marketing'..

Oooh.. and I have some "exclusive" PU rims.. they just happen to be gunmetal and have come from Axis.. and they came with a removable outer ring.. and they wern't "Uber" money

 

I spoke with them before purchasing any of their products.
I had and am still having many conversations on the phone with both Geoffrey and Bryce.
Find them to be pretty funny!
After talking to them frequently they granted me a sponsorship.
Since then I've been telling them any issues that I'm having with their parts and they are glad to be able to get user feedback.

With the Extension wing they have sold 17 through out the states and they have had only one other person who is in N.H. that is having the same problem. They got an OEM 05 wing to test the fitment of the second wing they sent me, it went right in place. Once I tried putting it on I had the same problem. Turned out to be a result of the OEM being a "Blow Mold" I believe, since it is hollow. There is a tendency for the OEM wing to warp.
Most people don't know this because they are never adding something to the wing they are normally replacing it.

So yes, it goes both ways, they are getting critical info about their product, and giving me good deals for the feedback.








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The change is the size of the lug.....this has nothing to do with why it has 8 holes. Especially since the wheels were for sale before anyone even knew about the new size change that MINI had planned. And, to further the argument.....why would a MINI company develop a wheel that wasn't hub-centric to MINIs. It seems suspicious that a "custom designed" MINI wheel actually needs a hubcentric ring to make it actually hubcentric to our car. They could have made the hub bore 56.1 if they truly designed these wheels. It's also suspicious that ALL of the engraved markings match in design and placement on the PU wheels when compared to the sportmax wheels.

Some would argue that it's a coincidence.....but you then look at their other wheels and notice that this "coincidence" happened again because another set of wheels they own match the design of Axis wheels directly. Coincidence? I think not.

An okay.....so rebadging is okay. What about the fact that they insist that their wheels were designed by their artist and that the wheels are super strong because they were created by their manufacturers. Being Axis, and Sportmax wheels.....these statements are outright lies. Rebadge something and sell it as your own.....fine. Lie about a part and say its amazing and created by your artist......bad morals.

I will be honest and say that i wish this thread was created in a more organized way, though. Palo Uber has a lot of explaining to do....though i don't expect them to ever actually do it.

Things that need to be considered:

• Their Lugs rusted countless times.
  • They kept telling customers that it was a "bad batch" coincidence, but all signs point to this being a lie. They also lied in an attempt to blame air tools multiple times
  • Eventually getting money back for this faulty product has proven to be next than impossible. People have had to put up with harassment and blame from the vendor.
• The lug key snapped without excess torquing (sign of low quality)
  • They blamed this on air tools when air tools were never used....in an attempt to shift blame.
• The antenna was said to be powdercoated. It started fading. When replaced with a "better" part, it still faded.
  • Again, getting reimbursments etc required hard attempts to work with PU
• The artist is said to be the most famous expressionist artist of our time. This is an outright lie....there is zero proof of this in art history and contemporary art information sources
• The wheels are actually Sportmax and Axis wheels with PU centercaps. They are being sold for far more than their original price.
  • Sportmax and Axis wheels aren't high quality strong wheels, yet PU is selling their wheels as high quality strong performance wheels.
• There are reports of the scoops containing bondo (sign of low quality) and falling apart.
• They claim that their products are the highest quality on the market (see above points for contradictions) and often claim to outperform the competition without any kind of proof....no graphs or numbers.
• They constantly insult the performance of their competition.....again with no proof or backup.
• There is no proof of any actual connection to London....even when they were asked for proof.
• Their spoiler extension appears to be a $20 (shipped) part that is universally sold on ebay for other cars. This is still being looked into, but that would mean almost $400 dollars in mark-up.
• Many times, the people that have positive things to say about PU admit to being given special treatment or prices
• PU bragged of hundreds of happy customers on NAM. When a happy PU customer suggested we put out a thread to find happy PU customers, we were able to find 4 happy customers. Later, one left because his PU part started rusting.....leaving 3 happy customers.

 

I will have to say that the Axis rims are strong.. they should be.. I believe my 18's are in the 21lb range.. Suprisingly they haven't bent. I've put them through at least 17k miles of crappy California highways and they're still round! They aren't high quality...and I'm just glad I didn't drop PU kind of money on them. They're big, heavy, blocks of painted metal alloy. I would only hope that the Sportmax PU rims are a little better.

By the way, that was a great write-up..

 

HEY YOU TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT NOW! those are some high quality center caps made form magneseum and baby seals, with a palo uber label hand painted by palo uber himself and those wheels were reforged in the fires of mount doom!

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Don't forget the unobtanium and dilithium crystals..

 

Thanks RallyMini,

Thats exactly what it was a change in bolt size. I remember hearing about that and mixed up the two.

About the rims, I talked to them about it and they mentioned there being very few places where the rims are actually forged. I have to agree with you because I have noticed the similarity here as well.

I'm still curious abou the ebay wing for twenty bucks.
I wouldn't imagine any CF product selling at that price to any good.
I have never seen this either.

 

Thanks.....that brings up one other comment that i forgot.

Often times they attempt to brush off these negative comments by saying that the complainers haven't bought from PU. I have not bought a product from them....but that doesnt mean that my posts shouldnt be taken seriously. The information I provided has been collected from various conversations with PU customers and PU themselves. I have asked PU wheel customers for up close pics of their wheels to compare to sportmax wheels. That being said....the information i provided has all come from the experiences of PU customers.....so even though I, myself, am not a customer, the facts remain true. I'm just trying to present the information appropriately

 

I was talking about the other one.....the one that is available in black.....or bodycolor for $40 extra.

More information and comparison pics here(bottom of the page): https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...d.php?t=115878

 

Deja vu: This thread sounds so much like the PU thread from a year or two ago.

 

Dude you have a nice looking car . If your happy with what PU is doing for you, then great! Nam is full of people that love to bash anything and anybody that they don't use, dont worry about their opinions. Im sure you are an adult and can make up your own mind of what is best for you . keep on keeping on .

 

Pointing out company flaws like rust and lies about wheels aren't "bashing".....it's presenting facts. There is a large difference between negative facts, and negative bashing opinions.

Bashing would be saying something like "that looks bad" or "I dont like that design". They are both opinion-based statements. I dont think stating facts could be considered bashing.

 

How sad that after a month of near absence from NAM, the first post I see today is the same old same old re: PU.

 

Thanks man!
I have had no problems with them and that is all I've been trying to say.
Any time I do, Exactly that people jump at any opportunity to knock a competitior.

I know a lot of people who feel the same way about M7 problems with products/fitment/high pricing etc... as well as people that refuse to run with alta. Everyone has there reasons.

I talk to the guys at PU, and I really like everything I have gotten from them. To be honest I don't like any of the wheels they make anyway.
And Carbon Fiber isn't a cheap material to begin with.

Honelty, there market focus is on full PU minis out of the Mini Showroom in L.A., and not many brands can say their products are sold directly through mini! And I doublt that mini would offer crappy products directly off the showroom floor.

 

Can you elaborate? THE Mini showroom? Do you mean a particular Mini dealer's showroom?

 

that sure is some sponsorship there... at cost pricing after you already bought a bunch of their parts

 

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Ummm Many aftermarket vendors have items sold off showroom floors.

The dealer I bought my MINI from sells a local vendors vinyl stripes, one of the Atlanta area dealers sells plastic euro style front plates (quick search on the netand I selected a vendor with real metal plates with a much faster turn around for custom selections) lots and lots of dealers setup varying degrees of reciprocal agreements. I know one vendor in FL that he always reccomends the dealer for the install and they give you a flyer and directions to his business for the mods.

When it is dealer based promotion the quality level can vary drastically, now if PU were backed by MINIUSA and warrantied by MINIUSA and it was being put on the same level as Dinian and JCW it would be a different story.

 

Oh my god, dude....this morning I thought to myself, well, okay, everybody is entitled to an opinion. But to openly bash a company when you have NO experience with their products is inexcusable. You need to go whine somewhere else now....or go sit in the corner until you grow up.

 

Welcome back see how much has changed