MINI vs Volkswagen Golf R32
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
Not to be a smart-*** the R32 has 260 hp and it's 4-motion my dad has one and I've raced him he left me behind at least 8 car lengths. when i get the chance to drive it believe me it does 0-60 in at least 5.7 sec so don't try at all becuase you will embarrase yourself
word from the son of an R32 owner
and it has about 260 lb-ft of torque
word from the son of an R32 owner
and it has about 260 lb-ft of torque
Not sure why everyone seems to think all that matters is 0-60 times. I feel like i'm on Mustang or Corvette forums. You don't buy a Cooper S so you can knock the socks off everything else on the road red-light racing, these are canyon cars...
Volkswagen R32
Engine : V6, DOHC, front engine AWD
Displacement : 3,189 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 19 mpg
highway - 26 mpg
Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs
Horsepower : 240 hp @ 6250 rpm
Torque : 236 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm
Redline : 7000 rpm
Top speed : 153 mph
0-60 mph : 5.9 sec.
0-¼ mile : 14.6 sec @ 97.6 mph
60-0 braking distance : 110 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.87 g
Curb Weight : 3256 lbs
Overall length : 163.3 in.
Wheelbase : 98.9 in.
Overall Width : 68.3 in.
Height : 56.9 in.
Source:
http://www.modernracer.com/vwr32.html
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And this is what Car and Driver has for spec's.....
VOLKSWAGEN R32
Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 3-door coupe
Base price: $29,675
Engine type: DOHC 24-valve V-6, iron block and aluminum head, port fuel injection
Displacement: 195 cu in, 3189cc
Power (SAE net): 240 bhp @ 6250 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 236 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 99.1 in
Length/width/height: 164.4/68.3/56.1 in
Curb weight: 3400 lb
Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 130 mph
Estimated fuel economy:
EPA city driving: 19 mpg
EPA highway driving: 26 mpg
VOLKSWAGEN R32
Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 3-door coupe
Base price: $29,675
Engine type: DOHC 24-valve V-6, iron block and aluminum head, port fuel injection
Displacement: 195 cu in, 3189cc
Power (SAE net): 240 bhp @ 6250 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 236 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 99.1 in
Length/width/height: 164.4/68.3/56.1 in
Curb weight: 3400 lb
Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 130 mph
Estimated fuel economy:
EPA city driving: 19 mpg
EPA highway driving: 26 mpg
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
And this is what Car and Driver has for spec's.....
VOLKSWAGEN R32
Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 3-door coupe
Base price: $29,675
Engine type: DOHC 24-valve V-6, iron block and aluminum head, port fuel injection
Displacement: 195 cu in, 3189cc
Power (SAE net): 240 bhp @ 6250 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 236 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 99.1 in
Length/width/height: 164.4/68.3/56.1 in
Curb weight: 3400 lb
Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 130 mph
Estimated fuel economy:
EPA city driving: 19 mpg
EPA highway driving: 26 mpg
VOLKSWAGEN R32
Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 3-door coupe
Base price: $29,675
Engine type: DOHC 24-valve V-6, iron block and aluminum head, port fuel injection
Displacement: 195 cu in, 3189cc
Power (SAE net): 240 bhp @ 6250 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 236 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 99.1 in
Length/width/height: 164.4/68.3/56.1 in
Curb weight: 3400 lb
Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.4 sec
Top speed (governor limited): 130 mph
Estimated fuel economy:
EPA city driving: 19 mpg
EPA highway driving: 26 mpg
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From: bryan tx
Do some research before you try to sound knowledgable about something you're not sure about...
That being said, an R32 is a pretty heavy car, and doesn't do well in turns. In a straight drag race it has a distinct traction advantage, not to mention more power.
Not sure why everyone seems to think all that matters is 0-60 times. I feel like i'm on Mustang or Corvette forums. You don't buy a Cooper S so you can knock the socks off everything else on the road red-light racing, these are canyon cars...
Volkswagen R32
Engine : V6, DOHC, front engine AWD
Displacement : 3,189 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 19 mpg
highway - 26 mpg
Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs
Horsepower : 240 hp @ 6250 rpm
Torque : 236 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm
Redline : 7000 rpm
Top speed : 153 mph
0-60 mph : 5.9 sec.
0-¼ mile : 14.6 sec @ 97.6 mph
60-0 braking distance : 110 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.87 g
Curb Weight : 3256 lbs
Overall length : 163.3 in.
Wheelbase : 98.9 in.
Overall Width : 68.3 in.
Height : 56.9 in.
Source:
http://www.modernracer.com/vwr32.html
That being said, an R32 is a pretty heavy car, and doesn't do well in turns. In a straight drag race it has a distinct traction advantage, not to mention more power.
Not sure why everyone seems to think all that matters is 0-60 times. I feel like i'm on Mustang or Corvette forums. You don't buy a Cooper S so you can knock the socks off everything else on the road red-light racing, these are canyon cars...
Volkswagen R32
Engine : V6, DOHC, front engine AWD
Displacement : 3,189 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - 19 mpg
highway - 26 mpg
Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Vented discs
Horsepower : 240 hp @ 6250 rpm
Torque : 236 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm
Redline : 7000 rpm
Top speed : 153 mph
0-60 mph : 5.9 sec.
0-¼ mile : 14.6 sec @ 97.6 mph
60-0 braking distance : 110 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.87 g
Curb Weight : 3256 lbs
Overall length : 163.3 in.
Wheelbase : 98.9 in.
Overall Width : 68.3 in.
Height : 56.9 in.
Source:
http://www.modernracer.com/vwr32.html
word, I know that a stock gli, and a chiped gti only pull half a car length on me on the quarter mile. but I dont really care cause after that the MC is toast. but out in the canyons its a totally different story :]
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In a race at the strip, your toast. Take that guy to the cannons than see whats up. I play with cars with alot more power than mine on the twisties, needless to say those guys are alittle pissed when they see my 100hp MC in the rear view
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From: bryan tx
ya, but as sad as it is to say that in drag...it too depends on the driver.. which shocks me sometimes when my mc keeps up with/beats cars that should stomp me. so you do have a chance. its worth a shot right? just after take him to some twisties and then see what happens
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nothing is ever accurate you can only estimate, even on mustang and dyno jet dyno's, the R32 went on one back in 03 i'll try to find the papers if i can but they were impressed by it, like top gear says "throw all that stuff out the window some cars are faster than the manufacturer suggests, and it's rubbish" even the mini is surprising I just burnt my clutch today idiotically burning rubber becuase I'm getting new tires and now a clutch, by the way how much are they? without a doubt both are great cars my dad and i take them out on the weekends and cruise father son you know we autocross, drag, and do coastal driving but my dad leaves me in the straights and i leave him in the curves on the island simple
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for real my friend owns a gli and it pulls half a car length but I can get him if i had a LSD to control wheelspin. but in autocross psshh compared to the mini his car has body roll and torque steer
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From: SoCaL (Agoura Hills)
. In a straight line, who do you think would win... 333 HP RWD sports coupe or a 250 HP modified FWD Hatch 
. These aren't drag cars, any AWD/RWD has a distinct traction advantage... The gap widens by a lot once you head to the twisties though, 2600 lb hatchbacks DEFINE the term tossable...
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From: LI - massapequa
I loooove r32s! they would def beat a stock MCS.... i have beat my friends r32 but thats only b/c he wasnt too good in shifting at the time (and my car is far from stock).... now-a-days we are either head to head or he beats me.... and ONLY if we go off a roll
OFF the line (standstill) is a differnt story... b/c they have ALot more torque.... and minis low end kind s*ck (or at least r53s)
so keep in mind my MCS is work up quite a bit and my friends r32 is StocK!... so they r definatly fast cars...
[i love both!! my dad actualy would let me get an r32 b/c he hates VW
....]
OFF the line (standstill) is a differnt story... b/c they have ALot more torque.... and minis low end kind s*ck (or at least r53s)
so keep in mind my MCS is work up quite a bit and my friends r32 is StocK!... so they r definatly fast cars...
[i love both!! my dad actualy would let me get an r32 b/c he hates VW
....]
stock VW R32 will blow the JCW MCS and even more so when that intercooler of the MCS boils. Do not under-estimate the handling of the R32 because it is also factory tuned with diff suspension setting than ordinary gti.
I am sure the R32 forum will also have a good laugh. Don't get me wrong, I love german cars too having a 330i. I'll buy the mini over the R32 but race? I'll have second thoughts.
You can't compare a 4 cyl 1.6L engine with a V6 3.2L... Even with a supercharger on the Mini, the R32 is a bigger engine with AWD...
I think that even with a 250hp kit on the Mini, it won't get over the R32... R32 has more torque and the AWD makes a huge difference!
mmm... what about a Mini with a 1.8L turbo engine and AWD... sweeeeeeet!!!
Tell the R32 guy to race a BMW M5... Who's going to win?...
Different categories...
Be safe...
I think that even with a 250hp kit on the Mini, it won't get over the R32... R32 has more torque and the AWD makes a huge difference!
mmm... what about a Mini with a 1.8L turbo engine and AWD... sweeeeeeet!!!
Tell the R32 guy to race a BMW M5... Who's going to win?...
Different categories...
Be safe...
Last edited by paipuky; Jul 10, 2007 at 07:21 AM.
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From: Oregon, USA
The R32 weighs 600 lbs more than the MINI S. It only has 240 hp stock. The power to weight ratio is about the same. From a standing start the VW will out accelerate the MINI, but the MINI has been proven with tests to outperform the VW on the track. The reported 0-60 time for the R32 is 5.9 sec, while the 0-60 for the MINI is reported to be 6.5.
Not the blowout that you would expect now is it.
Not the blowout that you would expect now is it.
The R32 weighs 600 lbs more than the MINI S. It only has 240 hp stock. The power to weight ratio is about the same. From a standing start the VW will out accelerate the MINI, but the MINI has been proven with tests to outperform the VW on the track. The reported 0-60 time for the R32 is 5.9 sec, while the 0-60 for the MINI is reported to be 6.5.
Not the blowout that you would expect now is it.
Not the blowout that you would expect now is it.
Where did you find the stock MCS with headers to outperform the R32 in the track? Are the drivers of the same skill level? The 0-60 is only one thing, wait until 0-100 >...the fact that R32 has just too much HP and TQ over our MCS even if it weighs more.
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From: Oregon, USA
OK.........POWER-WEIGHT ratio ! !
The MINI tops out at 140. The R32 at 150. Speeds we will never see on any track. Lighter cars will always out handle heavier ones. 600 lbs is a lot of ballast to carry around. Compare it to the rewards weight given out in some racing series. Most top out at 50 lbs, just imagine an additional 500 on top of that.
The MINI tops out at 140. The R32 at 150. Speeds we will never see on any track. Lighter cars will always out handle heavier ones. 600 lbs is a lot of ballast to carry around. Compare it to the rewards weight given out in some racing series. Most top out at 50 lbs, just imagine an additional 500 on top of that.
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From: LI - massapequa
a mcs with the right mods i think can beat an r32...
and i have to add my 2cents bout the r32 handeling... its Awsome!... not AS good as the mini but it is amazing... ive driven it many times... and it is right up there with the mini... i was very impressed, i didnt know anyother car would come close to it..
and i have to add my 2cents bout the r32 handeling... its Awsome!... not AS good as the mini but it is amazing... ive driven it many times... and it is right up there with the mini... i was very impressed, i didnt know anyother car would come close to it..
Outhandle a 4WD R32? Race track is not all bends and the 4 traction of R32 will always be an advantage to a FWD car like the MCS even if it is 500 lbs heavier. I bet you the stock JCW will understeer when pushed to the limits. That 140 looks good but as it heats up the SC - IC during the run you will be losing some HP. We are talking here of stock JCW with just a header. The 03 JCW did not even come with a CAI. Look at what's in the R32 carefully and you will see how much engineering was spent to develop this car.
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Outhandle a 4WD R32? Race track is not all bends and the 4 traction of R32 will always be an advantage to a FWD car like the MCS even if it is 500 lbs heavier. I bet you the stock JCW will understeer when pushed to the limits. That 140 looks good but as it heats up the SC - IC during the run you will be losing some HP. We are talking here of stock JCW with just a header. The 03 JCW did not even come with a CAI. Look at what's in the R32 carefully and you will see how much engineering was spent to develop this car.
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From: Defiance, Ohio
Not to be a smart-*** the R32 has 260 hp and it's 4-motion my dad has one and I've raced him he left me behind at least 8 car lengths. when i get the chance to drive it believe me it does 0-60 in at least 5.7 sec so don't try at all becuase you will embarrase yourself
word from the son of an R32 owner
and it has about 260 lb-ft of torque
word from the son of an R32 owner
and it has about 260 lb-ft of torque
Sorry for the correction...it has already been made a few times...I did not get to page two.
Last edited by ChrisMCS04; Jul 11, 2007 at 10:38 AM. Reason: read page two.
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Mine is better than yours
This thread reminds me of discussions among airplane pilots during WWII, or Vietnam etc. about which fighter was the better. The cold facts of HP, TQ and other factors ignored the fact that each plane had strong points and weak points. The guy that came home was the one that knew what his good points were and what the other guys weak points were. The one that did his home work came home and the other didn't.
The lesson was to know when to hold and when to fold.
Its the same with your ride, only play when its to your advantage and forget the rest. Remember there are some bold pilots and some old pilots but there are no old, bold pilots.
The lesson was to know when to hold and when to fold.
Its the same with your ride, only play when its to your advantage and forget the rest. Remember there are some bold pilots and some old pilots but there are no old, bold pilots.
Last edited by ozarkroots; Jul 11, 2007 at 05:41 PM.
