anything can be done... anything... it just depends on how good of a fabricator you are. ive put a turbo 400 transmission in a toyota supra that runs 8's... anything can be done... there are alot crazier swaps than that too for example ls1 or ls2 or ls7 powered bmw m3's which we are working on...

the biggest thing would be to get all of your electrics to work properly after the swap... like windows, and dome lights dsc, speedometers, gas gauges etc...

in the end... the swap isn't really worth it...

 

Umm, 40 thousandths might use the same block casting, but four hundred thousandths certainly means wider bore centers because that's at least 1.6" by itself. While there may be a certain familial resemblance, the difference is akin to smallblock/bigblock engines of the same brand.

The 2.4L block uses the same cylinder head as the DOHC 2.0L only with a taller deck to accomodate the longer 3.98" stroke.

A 1.9L stroker kit would probably require less work than clearancing the frame rails (risky for crashworthiness on a unitbody car) but have a different set of tradeoffs...

 

Boring was on here a while back, I believe researched by Webb. If I recall, the 1.6 could be bored safely only to a 1.7. Stroking was also posted a while back, I think there is even a kit. But I haven't seen anything since (this was YEARS ago).

Am I the only one that thinks this is beautiful?

Good reading on the ease of Neon swaps: www.neons.org

 

Exactly where on Neons.org is this info? I've been a member of Neons.org for nearly 10 years, and don't recall seeing any info on anyone who has swapped a Neon 2.0 into a Mini. Have you done it? Know anyone personally who has? It isn't as easy as you make it sound due to the size of the Neon 2.0. It certainly isn't an easy drop-in. The Neon engine is going to be heavier, and won't make the car any faster than the Cooper S. Much cheaper and easier to mod a Cooper S to a lot of power vs trying to build up a Neon 2.0 in a Cooper.

 

Read from the begining of the thread... or better, just a few above.

The above link to neons.org was intended to be used to research how easily neon engines are swap'd among each other. Since the Tritech IS a neon motor, swapping to a larger Neon motor doesn't all seem that much more complicated. Swaping any motor isn't at all straight forward, I don't disagree, but it won't get any easier or cheaper. If an M3 motor can fit within the same area (Belcar MINI), a 2.0 or even a 2.4 neon motor WILL fit.

 

Sure, a Viper V10 will physically fit too, but why?

I've read this entire post, as well as many of the other ones on the same subject over the last year or two here on NAM. Just isn't really worth the trouble IMHO.

To do it right you'd want a DOHC Neon 2.0L engine since it has much more performance potential than the SOHC. The last time a DOHC 2.0L engine was used in a Neon was 1999, so the newest engine you could find is now 7+ years old. The 2.0L DOHC engines made before 1999 also had head gasket problems, they're also interference engines with timing belts. I had my DOHC Neon up to approximately 170 whp and it wasn't terribly cheap or easy. What exactly is the advantage of a 2.0L Neon engine over a Cooper S engine?

-Keith

 

I think you guys are ovrlooking a great option.

The 2.2 and 2.5l Turbo II motor.

I think it will fit in our car very easily, and we can even use the 568 SRT4 tranny in it!.


I think a Turbo III would be the ultimate to put in our cars, DOHC and all, but I think it would ne a waste of a good motor on a car like the MINI.

 

Well, a few people tried this option in the Neon (with its bigger engine compartment) and I know of only one person who was successful, and it was very difficult. While the 1.6L, 2.0L, and 2.4L engines that have been discussed here have certain design features in common and are somewhat closely related, they have nothing in common with the Dodge 2.2 and 2.5 turbo engines.

-Keith

 

Displacement--there's no replacement The design is the same, they're made by the same company. Maybe we should look at like: Whats the difference between a 1.6l Neon motor with a super charger and a 2.0 Neon motor?

SOHC vs DOHC is a topic under much discussion over at neons.org. Sure, the DOHC has its benefits, but SOHC isn't an under performer either. And the magnum SOHC are still in use. Really, you can do things with either, so its up to personal preference--much like MC vs. MCS in these forums.

 

I remember when the 2.0 first came out everyone was complaining about how gutless it felt against the old torquey 2.2, mostly because the torque peak was moved up to 4800rpm from the previous 2800rpm. The 2.0/2.4 and 2.2/2.5 all share the same 3.44" bore and bore centers but not much else.

The 2.5T has spawned a number of 12 second minivans.

 

The supercharger in the S effectively adds displacement and starts out with more hp and torque than the Neon engines. It is also easier and cheaper to add more power to the S engine than to the Neon engines, and the 1.6L is an easy fit in the Cooper engine bay since it was designed to fit there, the 2.0L engine isn't.

I've seen hundreds of SOHC vs DOHC arguments on Neons.org in the last ten years and participated in many of them. I've owned and worked on both. My 2001 ACR had the Magnum engine as well. FWIW, the SOHC Magnum engine is definitely not still in production. It was only used on 2001-2002 ACR's and 2001-2004 R/T's. The DOHC has always had more performance potenital.

I think its great that you're doing all this research, but for ten years, I lived and breathed (and raced and repaired and modified) Neons, and I've basically seen it all. I had thousands of dollars and countless hours spent modifying my DOHC Neon, it just isn't worth it to hack up a $15-20k Mini to try and shoe-horn a $500 Neon engine into it. Trust me, I'm just trying to save you time and money and a lot of headaches.

-Keith

 

You can force more air into the 2.0l, so whats your point?

Thanks for the correction. FWIW, I was trying to illustrate the availibility of newer motors.

I don't disagree. But either will have more performance potential than the MINI's 1.6l. Thats just displacement for ya


Great! Then you know you could build a turbo dohc motor on a budget for $5k and build 400hp. I can't swap my midland tranny for a getrag for that (which wasn't designed to fit there BTW). The TC kits (the only option offered to get you close to that output in the MCS) runs $10k installed. Can the swap be done for less... who knows?

Thanks for the charity, but some times things need done just for the doin.

 

Good luck be sure and keep us posted on how it goes. Lots of pictures and a list of your expenses would be very helpful (for educational purposes). Long term updates would be helpful as well, highly modified 2.0L Neon motors (like 300+ hp daily driven turbo models) don't exactly have a very good record for lasting a long time and being very streetable. Most people that have a very high hp built-up Neon also have a 2nd (or 3rd) Neon for daily driving. Not too hard to do since you can get Neons in decent shape all day long for under $2000.

The biggest difficulties as I see it are just getting the 2.0 Neon engine to fit, not to mention all of the accessories (and turbo hardware if you go that route). Most people that swap 2.4L engines into Neons leave off the PS and AC in the process. You'll likely have trouble keeping the stock hood with a 2.0 swap too. FWIW the DOHC is taller than the SOHC, which is the reason for the "power bulge" hood on the DOHC Neons.

-Keith

 

Turbododge for life man!

I dont care how little is shared with the Neon engine, IMO, the 2.2/2.5 is FAR FAR superior to the Neon egnines. Besides, its dirt cheap to build a 2.2/2.5 .

Next vehicle in my lineup will be a Spirit R/T

 

Anything is possible. If I didnt have other cars to put money into, I might try doing a swap with a good motor into the MINI. Probably a Honda motor, B18a, or H22. That seems the best way to go. Slap on a Megasquirt and call it a day.