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Old May 13, 2006 | 03:48 PM
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Farewell H1...

...and don't let the door hit your huge butt on the way out. In what is likely one of the few good decisions made by GM lately, they plan to discontinue sales of the Hummer H1 in June.

The H1 retails for $140,000, though I suspect you could buy it for less if needing a garage for your MINI. If not in motion it would likely stay anchored to the ground. It weight in at 5 tons. Though it does get "less than" 10 mpg in motion, stationary mileage is great. However, purchasers of H1s are a market share that prefers to drive. This may explain why sales are reported to be down to "a trickle".

Hummer lovers shouldn't be too sad. The H2 and even cuter H3 will still be around (asquare?), even though the U.S. sale of Prius's surpasses the number of H1s, H2s, and H3 combined.

Here's the emoticom summing up my reaction. What's anyone else's? Anyone shedding ?
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 04:09 PM
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It was actually seriously offroad capable (the only real HUMMER in my eyes), and the $140,000 price tag limited the numbers on the road. I think it's a mistake for the HUMMER brand to do away with it.


 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 04:16 PM
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If I had money to throw away I'd buy one, but for purely off road use.

I guess one day I'll have to buy one used. Or a new Humvee and convert it.
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by inioway
Here's the emoticom summing up my reaction. What's anyone else's? Anyone shedding ?
INI, the H1, and newest H1 Alpha exists for only one reason ... for the military. While civilian sales may go away, I seriously doubt military sales will go anywhere but up, especially armored versions (and one for Arnold of course!)
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 04:41 PM
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The serious off-road capability would probably come in handy in Colorado but I would bet the ones I see around Madison have never left the tarmac and short of losing it on a curve, never will.

I also wonder if the military might be better off with APC's rather than Humvees in Iraq. I think they may leave our troops a tad to exposed. In any case, around here they are just feeding peoples ego's and I won't miss them.
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ran48
Try might be better off with APC's rather than Humvees in Iraq. I think they may leave our troops a tad to exposed. In any case, around here they are just feeding peoples ego's and I won't miss them.
If you mean Bradlees, I think they cost way more to make. I thought I read they were trying to make as many armored as possible.

I never really understood why GM tried to sell H1s in the first place to the public.
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by chows4us
If you mean Bradlees, I think they cost way more to make. I thought I read they were trying to make as many armored as possible.

I never really understood why GM tried to sell H1s in the first place to the public.
Some of the news items I've seen show the troops scavenging scrap metal and improvising their own armor for the humvees, so at least initially they lacked the needed armor. I suspect you are right about the Bradleys but.......well I'd better not say.
 
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Old May 13, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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People wanted them...

Originally Posted by chows4us
I never really understood why GM tried to sell H1s in the first place to the public.
after the first Gulf war....

But they only had a diesel, no HP or top speed to speak of. And you couldn't get the 50 Cal machine gun mount on the civillian model. So no need for one!

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Old May 13, 2006 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
And you couldn't get the 50 Cal machine gun mount on the civillian model.
And that was the most important option (for the road ragers)



But the really cool ones have the stingers

 
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Old May 14, 2006 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DiD
It was actually seriously offroad capable (the only real HUMMER in my eyes), and the $140,000 price tag limited the numbers on the road. I think it's a mistake for the HUMMER brand to do away with it.




I'm certain the price tag protected most of us from actually being confronted by an H1 on the street. At least I never was unless in a camaflauge convoy. Given this, and further reflection, possibly the H1 was closed to a purpose vs. poser available Hummer for sale. At least they made sense for some contractors and others actually requiring such an off-road vehicle.

So, yeah, point taken. I will point my at the concept of the H2 and try to develop some pity for anyone not wealthy enough to keep feeding it who owns one.
 
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Old May 14, 2006 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by inioway
So, yeah, point taken. I will point my at the concept of the H2 and try to develop some pity for anyone not wealthy enough to keep feeding it who owns one.
INI, I see a lot of H2s ... see them everyday. I dont think the owners care one wit about gas prices. Since this area of the country is not exactly the Desert Southwest, its not like there are a lot of 4 x 4 trails around. If you were into off-roading, I would imagine a H2 would be the pinnacle ... the Ferrari for off-roaders.

My only conclusion is that those owner just got the green ...
 
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Old May 14, 2006 | 05:19 PM
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INI, I see a lot of H2s ... see them everyday. I dont think the owners care one wit about gas prices. Since this area of the country is not exactly the Desert Southwest, its not like there are a lot of 4 x 4 trails around. If you were into off-roading, I would imagine a H2 would be the pinnacle ... the Ferrari for off-roaders.

My only conclusion is that those owner just got the green ...
There are actually more than a few college students here that have H2s. They almost always have Illinois plates. With apologies to Chicagoland NAM-ers, this further fuels a prejudice many here have. Not wanting to own up to any prejudice of my own, I will put a typical remark it in quotes. " Damn, Edna, them kids from the suburbs get graduation gifts that cost more than our mortgage." Yup, people with H2s either are going bankrupt, have lots of $ or, in some cases, must either be pimps or have rich folks. Not thinking H2s
are in much demand as pimpmobiles, I'll go with the latter.
 
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Old May 14, 2006 | 05:26 PM
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Off topic, but I almost got an H3 last fall/winter when they came out.
 
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Old May 14, 2006 | 05:27 PM
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So they will stop making the only real Hummer, the only one that is a true off road vehicle. Price did go up on it 40k in the past 5 years so I'd imaging that would slow sales. Guess I'll have to buy a surplus one, have a frame re-forged and bulid it up. Also BTW it was just about the safest vehicle for occupants on the road.
 
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Old May 14, 2006 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DiD
It was actually seriously offroad capable (the only real HUMMER in my eyes), and the $140,000 price tag limited the numbers on the road. I think it's a mistake for the HUMMER brand to do away with it.
TOTALLY AGREE! While this decision might not affect any of you, it will affect our economy in this area a bit. I live less than a mile from the H1 and H2 plant. H1 is an awesome vehicle and I am really suprised that they are doing this. Something I find very interesting is GM has ABSOLUTELY no role in H1 and HMMWV production. GM and H1/HMMWV production takes place in two totally different facilities, though right next to each other, totally seperated. AM General Corp is in charge of HMMWV and H1 bodystyle production.

I would wait and see before jumping to any conclusions, especially since no news or talk of this has circulated around here.

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Old May 14, 2006 | 08:00 PM
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Well they say they aren't going to do any layoffs or cut any jobs because of it. Other than that, it reminds me of the Ford GT, Porsche Carrera GT, Ferrari Enzo, etc...just another machine that was not at all practical, I rarely (if ever) saw in person, sold in limited numbers, and I couldn't ever have afforded one anyway so......RIP.
 
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Old May 15, 2006 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by KRGMini05
Off topic, but I almost got an H3 last fall/winter when they came out.
A woman I work with wants one because she says they are "cute". There still may be hope for me since I somewhat resemble an H3.

I know my platform, but what do they use to build H3s on?
 
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Old May 15, 2006 | 07:41 AM
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Googling says Chevy Colorado pickup platform. But I didn't spend much time looking. And it's a small Hummer, at just 4700 lbs!

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Old May 15, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
Googling says Chevy Colorado pickup platform. But I didn't spend much time looking. And it's a small Hummer, at just 4700 lbs!

Matt
You ARE correct. The Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon platform is the basis for the H3.
 
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Old May 15, 2006 | 01:06 PM
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The H1, like the Mercedes G500, suffers from the 'price/capability ratio handicap'. The thing was built for amazing offroading abilities (it can essentially go wherever it can fit), but the price keeps most serious offroaders from being able to afford it, and the people who have one are often too afraid to beat on it the way it was designed. It also is priced so high that municipal emergency departments out in the boonies who might be able to benefit from it find they can buy three well equipped 'regular' 4x4s instead.

With people dumping/avoiding these vehicles, they might finally find their home with those limited-budget offroaders after all.
 
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Old May 15, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KennyMooper
Well they say they aren't going to do any layoffs or cut any jobs because of it. Other than that, it reminds me of the Ford GT, Porsche Carrera GT, Ferrari Enzo, etc...just another machine that was not at all practical, I rarely (if ever) saw in person, sold in limited numbers, and I couldn't ever have afforded one anyway so......RIP.
Not quite but close. Enzo is $1M and you cant get one unless you are "in" at the factory.

Carrera GT is $450K and they sold the same amount of these as H1s last year, maybe 450 or so

Ford GT is $150K, I saw one going home the other day. Awesome looking car.

And your right, no one losing a job, all production going to the military.
 
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Old May 15, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chows4us
Not quite but close. Enzo is $1M and you cant get one unless you are "in" at the factory.
You sure about that?...I'm pretty sure they go for about $600k.
 
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Old May 15, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KRGMini05
You sure about that?...I'm pretty sure they go for about $600k.
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/ferrari_enzo.asp

$1M
 
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Old May 15, 2006 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by chows4us
Hmm, I think that's incorrect. It looks to me like an estimate that turned out to be way off.

I just looked it up...2003 Enzo, MSRP: $643,330

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/pr...ari&model=Enzo

with only 399 built, I'm sure $1,000,000 is much closer to what you'd have to pay to get one, but it's not MSRP.
 
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Old May 15, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by KRGMini05
I just looked it up...2003 Enzo, MSRP: $643,330
I guess an Enzo does not hold it's value like a MINI.

EDIT: MSRP, not current selling price. Oh well, the joke was good anyway.
 
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