To tell you the truth...there is ALOT that no one knows about the REV limit and STOCK vaulve train because they haven't taken certain precautions....Like for instance...I belive your valve train is NOT STOCK

The reason we aren't telling people what we found out is cause we are tired of people disagreeing (not you persay ingsoc) with us over somehting that we KNOW for FACT...not cause we just went out and did a few laps "hard" but accually did the proper testing and reviewing of what happens...frankly...Deltaman shouldn't have said anything in my opinion cuase there is too much blah blah blah on the forum...and you know how I feel about that...LOL...it's just not worth it...let people rev to what ever they want...I am tired of trying to be the good guy and getting crap for it cause they like to listen to happy thoughts by whom ever...

you know what I mean we have talked about this before...that's why I use PM...if people wanna know they can ask or I'll offer...but the forum as a whole is too much speculation on answers we already have from accual testing....

 

Sorry to hear about that . Glad your car is ok! I think you've got a really reasonable perspecitve there, and I completely agree- I would have to seriously consider before doing this without some work, for peace of mind. In the end of the day, we must all decide on things for ourselves.

 

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de nada, d00d! With you, it's always a pleasure .

[seriously, Tuls is a freakin fun d00d! too bad he's in the middle of hell, err, I mean, the desert!]

 

Right on! thanks man! That's what the Mini is all about...HAVING FUN!! and it's only Hell 4 moths a year...

 

None taken, but your guess is a bit off. I doubt you fathers 911 does 109 in third, has 290 HP+ and weigh 2100#s. My cars good to 78 @ 7200 in second. This ain't no average street 911. Was doing 108 in third at about 7100 RPM. I was being held up on a lap at WGI by two cars. A rather slow 911 followed by an almost equally slow Toyota Supra. We were going three wide on the front straight, I was in too much of a hurry to get around them. As I was moving to the inside, and for those of you who've never experienced the joy of a 915 tranny (mid 70s to mid 80's 911 trans) I can liken its shifting capability to a worn out VW bug if that has any meaning to you. Given a vague shifter, driver in a big hurry, moving to ones right, this all sets the stage for a pull for fourth that winds up in second. The good news is that I didn't send anything through the case so I didn't put down any oil, caught it fast enough that I didn't lock the rear and go spinning down the front straight. Know of a very experienced Porsche racer that did a similar thing in a 911 RSA (no excuse there that thing shifts fine) up in the Esses. He wasn't so lucky. Totalled the car as a result.

 

BTW... don't let the zoom scale of the graph fool you. From where the spike starts at around 5000 RPM (you see rpm drop then the sharp uptick) to where if reappears on the down slope is ends is about .2".

 

hmm, my original post wuz goin' to ask u, if u were in a sharp turn when u pulled the gear to far to the left & into 2nd gear, but didnt want to get to technical!! plus the speed u posted wuz a bit high for a turn............

 

Oh you wanted the technical term? Its called a "money shift".

Funny thing is I know better but old habits die hard. All you youngsters out there that are aspiring to track days and the like learn this and learn this well. Either buy a sequential or whenever you're upshifting into higher gears or downshifting to fourth or third make sure your thumb is pointing down, not up. I.e. you twist your hand so that its on the left of the shifter and your hand is upside down from the way you would grab it on the right. Makes it very hard to pull it toward you. Practise this all the time, make it second nature, as its not a natural motion. Heed the words of this old fart. If not, someday its likely you'll make the same mistake I did. Being old and set in my ways, I've yet to totally drill into my head, but $15k mistakes have a way of bringing the point home so to speak. the engine you save might be your own!

 

no replies from the Mth yet : (

 

:( pm sent

 

why a frown-face???

 

oh, nothing.. was trying to help..

just hate to see people suffer from possible bad customer service.

i've received nothing but what i expected from mthusa.com.. (great customer service)

 

oh, ok, good .

 

I'll try this, I trained my right hand to hold a "claw" for hours on end so I could always feather the brake lever with two fingers on my motos, great safety technique in all traffic situations. I'll see if I can train my hand to do this, I have missed a few sequential downshifts in my day too.

 

It is such a qualitative difference to hear from ones who have actual road and track experience behind their posts. Seems like there are an awful lot of "bench racers" in these forums...

 

Assuming you were including me in that group, thanks! I'm by no means an expert or pro, I'm just trying to become the best driver I can be. For me that means understanding to some degree technically whats going on and then learning to apply it. Many have helped me with my progression, if I can give a little of that to others... hell, thats the spirit of motoring right?

Not to go too far OT, but as a calling card, heres some hard data that shows a bit of my experience level or lack thereof. I thought some of you might find the graph below interesting as Joker was mentioning that 108 was a bit high speed for a turn. The graph shows that at exit of the Glen esses I'm pulling ~.8G at ~125MPH. (Note the shift to fifth as the Gs diminish and car straightens out.) First thing it suggests is that there are some frigging scary fast corners out there. Second thing it suggests (and some might be surprised at this) is that I'm pretty slow and I have a long way to go!!! My more experienced amateur racer friends in somewhat comparable cars are exiting there probably at 135. One guy I know with a monster 935 turbo clone does 1:55s at WGI; hes probably at 150!!! You ain't truly been scared in a car til you've ridden with an expert whose sliding the car on exit up there, foot flat to the floor. ! So far, I can't seem to make myself get on the power early enough to get to the 1.1 or so G that the car is comfortably capable of. Too chicken. It takes guts, gonads or a libotomy to be pushing that hard at those speeds and more experience than I yet have.

As a recent addition here, I'll just mention that IMO this is a terrific forum. Despite being a Porsche guy first, I truly enjoy the attitude and enthusiasm of the motorers around here. I look forward to learning a ton from you guys, hopefully I can return the favor occasionally.

 

i did see this a couple yrs. back and have been doin' pretty well adjustin' the way i shift.
but i find it harder to do in the mini than in my VW six speed car, i think it due to the ease of the shift box on the Jetta....the gears jus fall in where as in the mini its not so smooth.
it makes a lot of sence to me to move and adjust the hand around the stick
i have not been on a track b4 so i havent a clue what it feels to go into & exit turns at those speeds, which BTW sounds kickass
i dont do any autoX my motorin' is strickly on the streets for now.
sure look forward to the next step

 

Reply on what?

 

I would have thought my answer on post #9 was direct enough for the original question.

 

You mean that you have never experinced the darkside, you've never been passed 7200 and never experinced the blue bottle

You better put those two on the must do before I'm 30 list

 

I already have got the 8000 rpm in a MINI thing covered by 23 .

 

he he...what are you like ...shame you cant take passengers down santa pod, or can you

 

Whats wrong with the road You can take passengers but only on private test days

 

This seems ironic when MTH writes the ECU software for M7, which as we know impliments a redline of 8100 RPM. Why not be a bit more flexible versus this supposed 7250 RPM hard-nosedness and offer "regular" customers a redline of perhaps 7500 RPM?