Upgrading brakes.... Questions
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Upgrading brakes.... Questions
I was going to get the power slots for all the way around. Also Iwas going to get the Hawk pads and i think thats it. Also i heard awhile back they have rubber bushings, is that true? and if so, where can i get the metal bushings? Also If anyone has any more great ideas please let me know. I am Listening to all ears..... Spike
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Just an FYI:
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Brakes
When looking at the performance of a car people are always concerned with the 0-60mph times, ¼ mile and how many g’s it will pull on a skid pad. One of the most crucial factors in a vehicles performance is the brakes. Luckily the MINI comes with some awesome brakes right from the get go. Stopping distances are shorter on the MINI than many high end sports cars and the size and weight of the MINI will contribute to that, but the construction and the set up also takes plenty of the credit. Most people know that the MINI has ABS, but very few will know what CBC or EBD are. If you do, pat yourselves on the back and bask in your own MINI prowess. If not check out the MINIUSA website for more details, but the quick and dirty of it is that the brakes on the MINI are able to distribute braking power to the wheels that need it most. Not only from front to rear, but also between side to side, and theoretically all four wheels can have a different amount of braking power when needed. One analogy I would use is that it is like all wheel drive working in reverse. This system really works well when you need to scrub off some speed while cornering hard. Having a braking system this advanced is usually reserved for a much more expensive class of vehicles. The pads and rotors are designed to work with all of the electronic devices and changing any variable of this system may lead to unpleasant side effects. I have seen it done well, but unless you plan to track your car, or just love to tinker, I would stick with the OEM equipment, or the JCW Brake Kit.
When looking at the performance of a car people are always concerned with the 0-60mph times, ¼ mile and how many g’s it will pull on a skid pad. One of the most crucial factors in a vehicles performance is the brakes. Luckily the MINI comes with some awesome brakes right from the get go. Stopping distances are shorter on the MINI than many high end sports cars and the size and weight of the MINI will contribute to that, but the construction and the set up also takes plenty of the credit. Most people know that the MINI has ABS, but very few will know what CBC or EBD are. If you do, pat yourselves on the back and bask in your own MINI prowess. If not check out the MINIUSA website for more details, but the quick and dirty of it is that the brakes on the MINI are able to distribute braking power to the wheels that need it most. Not only from front to rear, but also between side to side, and theoretically all four wheels can have a different amount of braking power when needed. One analogy I would use is that it is like all wheel drive working in reverse. This system really works well when you need to scrub off some speed while cornering hard. Having a braking system this advanced is usually reserved for a much more expensive class of vehicles. The pads and rotors are designed to work with all of the electronic devices and changing any variable of this system may lead to unpleasant side effects. I have seen it done well, but unless you plan to track your car, or just love to tinker, I would stick with the OEM equipment, or the JCW Brake Kit.
Spiked,
I Rode/ Drove An O4's At The Dragon Last Month (may), It Had A Wilwood Set Up On It, It Was A World Apart From My Stock 03's W/13,000 Miles. Matter Of Fact We Ran Car Back To Back And His Car Felt So Much More Secure Going Into The Corners On The Brakes Than Mine.but, Like Wagnbat Says, If You Got A Daily Driver,oem's The Way To Go. But If You're Into A Lot Of ''spirited'' Driving,i''d Opt For Upgrading The Binders.
By The Way, I Notice I''m Just Up The Road From You In Mooresville. I''m In The Tarheel Club. You?
I Rode/ Drove An O4's At The Dragon Last Month (may), It Had A Wilwood Set Up On It, It Was A World Apart From My Stock 03's W/13,000 Miles. Matter Of Fact We Ran Car Back To Back And His Car Felt So Much More Secure Going Into The Corners On The Brakes Than Mine.but, Like Wagnbat Says, If You Got A Daily Driver,oem's The Way To Go. But If You're Into A Lot Of ''spirited'' Driving,i''d Opt For Upgrading The Binders.
By The Way, I Notice I''m Just Up The Road From You In Mooresville. I''m In The Tarheel Club. You?
Now that's just crap!
unless you plan to track your car, or just love to tinker, I would stick with the OEM equipment, or the JCW Brake Kit.
Even aggressive driving in the hills can induce fade. And there are lots of good pads out there that have been used by many, and you don't hear any tales of systems malfuction systemic with one pad or a swap to a metal caliper bush. And how would brake fluid have anyway of effecting these systems negativly, other than by providing more tempurature tolerance?
Matt
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Originally Posted by Spikedacrzyman
I was going to get the power slots for all the way around. Also Iwas going to get the Hawk pads and i think thats it. Also i heard awhile back they have rubber bushings, is that true? and if so, where can i get the metal bushings? Also If anyone has any more great ideas please let me know. I am Listening to all ears..... Spike
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DOT 5 is silicone brake fluid and incompatible with DOT 3,4, & 5.1 and
generally not recommended.
DOT 5.1 is compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4 but has the higher temperature
specs that DOT 5 fluid has.
Use DOT 4 or 5.1 in the MINI.
generally not recommended.
DOT 5.1 is compatible with DOT 3 and DOT 4 but has the higher temperature
specs that DOT 5 fluid has.
Use DOT 4 or 5.1 in the MINI.
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Originally Posted by nascar mini
Spiked,
I Rode/ Drove An O4's At The Dragon Last Month (may), It Had A Wilwood Set Up On It, It Was A World Apart From My Stock 03's W/13,000 Miles. Matter Of Fact We Ran Car Back To Back And His Car Felt So Much More Secure Going Into The Corners On The Brakes Than Mine.but, Like Wagnbat Says, If You Got A Daily Driver,oem's The Way To Go. But If You're Into A Lot Of ''spirited'' Driving,i''d Opt For Upgrading The Binders.
By The Way, I Notice I''m Just Up The Road From You In Mooresville. I''m In The Tarheel Club. You?
I Rode/ Drove An O4's At The Dragon Last Month (may), It Had A Wilwood Set Up On It, It Was A World Apart From My Stock 03's W/13,000 Miles. Matter Of Fact We Ran Car Back To Back And His Car Felt So Much More Secure Going Into The Corners On The Brakes Than Mine.but, Like Wagnbat Says, If You Got A Daily Driver,oem's The Way To Go. But If You're Into A Lot Of ''spirited'' Driving,i''d Opt For Upgrading The Binders.
By The Way, I Notice I''m Just Up The Road From You In Mooresville. I''m In The Tarheel Club. You?
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This is a cool post--you actually had to hold the shift button down to capitalize every word! Very Impressive.
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Well i just got the front Power Slots ... Now i need the rears, SS lines, Hawk HPSS pads F+R, And the metal Bushings and i think i should be done then on the brakes for now...
Do you think that would be a good brake setup for the daily driver?
Do you think that would be a good brake setup for the daily driver?
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Sounds like a great set up. I think you'll get a lot from the braided lines, but it all goes very well together. If you want less black dust on your wheels, then go for the Hawk Ceramics--they stop well and are significantly cleaner.
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Sorry I offended anyone with the captials, and no, i didn't hold the shift key,there is a button that says''caps lock''. It won't happen again, just thought these threads were informative and fun,not so critical of anyone.
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Originally Posted by Spikedacrzyman
Well i just got the front Power Slots ... Now i need the rears, SS lines, Hawk HPSS pads F+R, And the metal Bushings and i think i should be done then on the brakes for now...
Do you think that would be a good brake setup for the daily driver?
Do you think that would be a good brake setup for the daily driver?
Have fun with it no matter what you decide to do.
The rubber bushings only cover one side of the slide pin..
so they only keep dirt out from one side. I've had the metal bushings for quite a while, and I'm not as religeous as I should be on lubing them. I use a moly high temp grease, figuring that if the grease goes, there's still some moly there......
FWIW, I just changes my rear pads, and they wore pretty much perfectly parallel. The fronts are Outlaw 2000 4 piston calipers, so there are no metal bushings in play.....
Personally, I think the rubber bushings suck big time. It's really a shame that such a nice car has such a compramise in the brake design....
Matt
FWIW, I just changes my rear pads, and they wore pretty much perfectly parallel. The fronts are Outlaw 2000 4 piston calipers, so there are no metal bushings in play.....
Personally, I think the rubber bushings suck big time. It's really a shame that such a nice car has such a compramise in the brake design....
Matt
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