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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 05:28 AM
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what would you guess my whp is at

I'm curious what you all would guess my car is making at the wheels based on my "mods" just a fun exercise (yes,, I am bored to tears with this "back" putting me out of my ususal routine)"
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 06:06 AM
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About 230 - 235whp. 240 max.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 06:52 AM
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What rpm are you revving to? That'll make the difference. If, say, 7200 rpm, then I'm guessing 222 whp, which would be a crapload for an sc'ed car at 7200. I can't see more. But, it all depends on how stingy/generous the dyno is :smile:! C'mon, let us know how the dyno turned out!
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 06:55 AM
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220-225whp
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 06:55 AM
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214.8 whp
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 07:12 AM
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In the interest of more background info, I should add that the original M7 Cosworth II+ car [Bill's/COOPERSS's] pulled 216.3 whp on the dyno at the TMMZ shootout:

http://www.teammightyminiz.com/forum...light=cosworth

They did some exhaust backpressure tweaking and got some pretty freaking good numbers, with at least 160 lb ft of torque sustained from 3500 rpm til redline but a MASSIVE peak around 3000 rpm at 188 lb ft if I remember correctly. That car didn't have a header, but it was running a 16+2 combo. It revved to 7300 rpm. So, point being, I could have been off on my prediction, Spider et al. Maybe your car will do more! :smile:. How much TORQUE did you see, btw? I think that's a really important factor which few consider. Please post that too!
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Boludo
214.8 whp


I would say for sure its above 220, but probably only at 5500rpm..its probably more around 225..but somewhere in that range..
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:03 AM
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215 ...about the same as mine ....
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:08 AM
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[5E8 - 2.75E8] * 1E-6
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by FlynHawaiian
[5E8 - 2.75E8] * 1E-6
1E-6 = 1? lol....sorry bringing too much reality into this
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:14 AM
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I guess it would depend on which kind of dyno you went to. On a dyno like Eric's at Helix, it would be around 200. On a less conservative dynojet, it would be around 230 or so. What was you whp the last time you dyno'd?
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Purple
I guess it would depend on which kind of dyno you went to. On a dyno like Eric's at Helix, it would be around 200. On a less conservative dynojet, it would be around 230 or so. What was you whp the last time you dyno'd?
huh?? Difference of 30WHP between different dynos??

 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MSFIT
huh?? Difference of 30WHP between different dynos??
Happens more often than you'd think. . The only true test is to use the same dyno with each run. Then, you have acceptable comparability...
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:41 AM
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You are really bored aren't you!

So its like how many jellybeans are in the jar sort of thing. First what do we get if guessed correctly? Is there a a prize , theres always a prize for the closest guess .

If there is no prize, I say 20 hp over stock that ought to tighten up your back and get you to lurch out of bed . Ouch, I can feel the pain from here.

If there is a prize involved then my best official guess is 127 whp.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MSFIT
1E-6 = 1? lol....sorry bringing too much reality into this
I was bored, I was trying to think up a differential equation that would leave you with 225, but it's too bloody early in the morning . I guess you could simply use.

[Dx/Dy] 225x BAH
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:53 AM
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I was bored, I was trying to think up a differential equation that would leave you with 225, but it's too bloody early in the morning . I guess you could simply use.

[Dx/Dy] 225x BAH
weak :-P. I would expect second order at the very least! Cmon, it ain't THAT earlY.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FlynHawaiian
I was bored, I was trying to think up a differential equation that would leave you with 225, but it's too bloody early in the morning . I guess you could simply use.

[Dx/Dy] 225x BAH
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MSFIT
huh?? Difference of 30WHP between different dynos??

There is a huge difference between dynos. Why do you think all of the Mini-madness stage IV cars dyno at 230 - 240 range while M7 cars with very similar setups are coming in at 200 -210. I am sure there is not a 30 hp difference in the cars.
I dynoed my car at Helix on the Mustang dyno just at 193.5whp with a vacuum leak from the AGS. Eric claims thatis the highest number he's seen from a non twincharged mini and was thoroughly impressed. I on the other hand was wondering why the numbers were so low.
After removing the AGS, the car dynoed at 236whp on a dynojet at a local Lexus tuner. I am waiting to go back to Helix, but i can assure you it wont be anywhere near 236whp on that dyno.
I don't understand what your graph up there means, perhaps you can expain it. That way i wont interpret the info in the wrong way. I don't appreciate your sarcasm. If you would like something explained perhaps you're the one who should be asking questions.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 09:18 AM
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Well, this is a "guess my WHP" thread afterall.

You didn't come in expecting any really insightful conversations did you? Doesn't really seem appropriate for a technical forum regardless.
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 09:28 AM
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do we get your car if we get it right??
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 09:47 AM
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weak :-P. I would expect second order at the very least! Cmon, it ain't THAT earlY.
your in florida, I just went to go get some coffee, drinking right now maybe i can come up with one :P
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiliCooperS
do we get your car if we get it right??
I just want the exhaust
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 11:06 AM
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There is an amazing amount of difference between dynos....I have complained about that several times that there is no standard.....also the Mini is tough to dyno because it is so sensitive to temps and the intercooler is perp to the fans.


I was just curious what people thought.........because based on the parts that I have my guess would be 220 - 230......Some dynos bear this out and some are like the Helix...... there are huge differences in dynos and the methods for getting the highest "ethical" results
 
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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If you as 2 Turbonators you could get an extra 80 HP out of the car
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 11:21 AM
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come on, post the dyno numbers already!!!
 
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