Drivetrain what would you guess my whp is at
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Originally Posted by 02///MCS
come on, post the dyno numbers already!!!
I am a little sorry I started this thread.
,.... I was not looking for a "guess my WHP" as a contest but rather what seemed to be a reasonable expectation from those that have similar cars or experience with some or all of my "mods". I really have my answer for which I thank you all........now this thread can disappear and I will be happy:smile:
pretty please with sugar on top 
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
.......now this thread can disappear and I will be happy:smile:
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Originally Posted by RECOOP
Would that be with the exhaust valve in the open or closed position?
Anyway, I think about 228 whp at 6900 rpm ---
Anyway, I think about 228 whp at 6900 rpm ---
I think MSFiT's post is one of the best I have ever read! That chart made me wet my pants I laughed so hard! people on this forum are so soft and sensitive . That chart is awsome!
Originally Posted by Cosmic Purple
I don't understand what your graph up there means, perhaps you can expain it. That way i wont interpret the info in the wrong way. I don't appreciate your sarcasm. If you would like something explained perhaps you're the one who should be asking questions.
Man, you guys are really expecting a whole lot. 230 Whp? No way with those mods.
It really does depend on the dyno. I would bet that the good, correct, high end dynos wiill give you about 180 whp at most with those mods. Maybe more like 170.
It really does depend on the dyno. I would bet that the good, correct, high end dynos wiill give you about 180 whp at most with those mods. Maybe more like 170.
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Originally Posted by onasled
Man, you guys are really expecting a whole lot. 230 Whp? No way with those mods.
It really does depend on the dyno. I would bet that the good, correct, high end dynos wiill give you about 180 whp at most with those mods. Maybe more like 170.
It really does depend on the dyno. I would bet that the good, correct, high end dynos wiill give you about 180 whp at most with those mods. Maybe more like 170.
Gee now that I've teflon coated the intercooler & ceramic coated the stock header & installed a -15% pulley I must have at least 230 WHP
I don't dare go to Helix
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If you're right bowman...I'm really bummed
My last dyno last year without WMS cylinder head/WMS 62mm TB/H20-methanol injection/AGS/light FW gave me 192 whp. This was at a group run where stock Minis were reading 155whp which validates to me my rating. Now you guys are saying that I wasted all that time and effort since last year? Hmmm...the guy I left in the GTO from a 70mph WOT was convinced that I had a little more than 200hp. I've been made aware that my N2O is a 60hp shot so what's the math add up to kill a GTO? 60 + 192 = 252 against a 400hp rwd? That doesn't sound right. Try 220 + 60 = 280
My last dyno last year without WMS cylinder head/WMS 62mm TB/H20-methanol injection/AGS/light FW gave me 192 whp. This was at a group run where stock Minis were reading 155whp which validates to me my rating. Now you guys are saying that I wasted all that time and effort since last year? Hmmm...the guy I left in the GTO from a 70mph WOT was convinced that I had a little more than 200hp. I've been made aware that my N2O is a 60hp shot so what's the math add up to kill a GTO? 60 + 192 = 252 against a 400hp rwd? That doesn't sound right. Try 220 + 60 = 280
Originally Posted by namwob
Couldn't agree more. Mine, '03 +alta CAI+ Supersprint cat back+ teflon coated intake & intercooler snorkels showed 170 WHP Gee now that I've teflon coated the intercooler & ceramic coated the stock header & installed a -15% pulley I must have at least 230 WHP I don't dare go to Helix
Gee now that I've teflon coated the intercooler & ceramic coated the stock header & installed a -15% pulley I must have at least 230 WHP I don't dare go to Helix
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
If you're right bowman...I'm really bummed My last dyno last year without WMS cylinder head/WMS 62mm TB/H20-methanol injection/AGS/light FW gave me 192 whp. This was at a group run where stock Minis were reading 155whp which validates to me my rating. Now you guys are saying that I wasted all that time and effort since last year? Hmmm...the guy I left in the GTO from a 70mph WOT was convinced that I had a little more than 200hp. I've been made aware that my N2O is a 60hp shot so what's the math add up to kill a GTO? 60 + 192 = 252 against a 400hp rwd? That doesn't sound right. Try 220 + 60 = 280
My last dyno last year without WMS cylinder head/WMS 62mm TB/H20-methanol injection/AGS/light FW gave me 192 whp. This was at a group run where stock Minis were reading 155whp which validates to me my rating. Now you guys are saying that I wasted all that time and effort since last year? Hmmm...the guy I left in the GTO from a 70mph WOT was convinced that I had a little more than 200hp. I've been made aware that my N2O is a 60hp shot so what's the math add up to kill a GTO? 60 + 192 = 252 against a 400hp rwd? That doesn't sound right. Try 220 + 60 = 280Sorry, but 190+ is about right....On a dyno that is calibrated to give proper
hp numbers, not stroking your ego (lots of those out there) a 200hp number is very hard to come by with traditional tuning methods.
As for your run in with the GTO, many variables has to account for his loss to your MINI. Just for instance....weight Delta which is in the 1000lbs range
a very slow gear box, a lousy driver etc....
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Yuor best dyno is still going to be inacurate for a boosted car. What a dyno is good at is allowing you to make timed measurements of changes in hp torque, fuel mix & any sensor you have a probe for. Forget actual #s whats useful is being able to document the location & changes +/- in the #s as you make changes to the car. Just keep using the same dyno!
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Purple
There is a huge difference between dynos. Why do you think all of the Mini-madness stage IV cars dyno at 230 - 240 range while M7 cars with very similar setups are coming in at 200 -210. I am sure there is not a 30 hp difference in the cars.
I dynoed my car at Helix on the Mustang dyno just at 193.5whp with a vacuum leak from the AGS. Eric claims thatis the highest number he's seen from a non twincharged mini and was thoroughly impressed. I on the other hand was wondering why the numbers were so low.
After removing the AGS, the car dynoed at 236whp on a dynojet at a local Lexus tuner. I am waiting to go back to Helix, but i can assure you it wont be anywhere near 236whp on that dyno.
I don't understand what your graph up there means, perhaps you can expain it. That way i wont interpret the info in the wrong way. I don't appreciate your sarcasm. If you would like something explained perhaps you're the one who should be asking questions.
I dynoed my car at Helix on the Mustang dyno just at 193.5whp with a vacuum leak from the AGS. Eric claims thatis the highest number he's seen from a non twincharged mini and was thoroughly impressed. I on the other hand was wondering why the numbers were so low.
After removing the AGS, the car dynoed at 236whp on a dynojet at a local Lexus tuner. I am waiting to go back to Helix, but i can assure you it wont be anywhere near 236whp on that dyno.
I don't understand what your graph up there means, perhaps you can expain it. That way i wont interpret the info in the wrong way. I don't appreciate your sarcasm. If you would like something explained perhaps you're the one who should be asking questions.
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Originally Posted by onasled
Man, you guys are really expecting a whole lot. 230 Whp? No way with those mods.
It really does depend on the dyno. I would bet that the good, correct, high end dynos wiill give you about 180 whp at most with those mods. Maybe more like 170.
It really does depend on the dyno. I would bet that the good, correct, high end dynos wiill give you about 180 whp at most with those mods. Maybe more like 170.
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Originally Posted by MGCMAN
Get it dynoed. Lots of mods, gotta be the high side of 215 whp.
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Originally Posted by K9MINI
I think MSFiT's post is one of the best I have ever read! That chart made me wet my pants I laughed so hard! people on this forum are so soft and sensitive . That chart is awsome!
MSFit's comments border on a type of humor that is dark in nature and that i choose not to participate in. Calling someone dumb is not my idea of a mature exchange in this forum. If you think i'm soft and sensitive then perhaps we can have that conversation in person.
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when i was tweaking my rig, the best I got on Helix' Mustang dyno was about 189. that was with Endyn head, header, throttle body, cam, 19%, One-click, ecu mod
the next week, I took the car to Hubie for the Apexi install and tune; he first did a baseline (Dynojet) and got about 190. After the tune, he had 198...couldn't quite get ot 200. two weeks later, bigger injectors and a re-tune, he got 213.
next time I dynoed at helix (10 months later)...189, with no prep, and pretty hot IAT. In my opinion, this last run was low due to extra blower heat, still not yet addressed
the next week, I took the car to Hubie for the Apexi install and tune; he first did a baseline (Dynojet) and got about 190. After the tune, he had 198...couldn't quite get ot 200. two weeks later, bigger injectors and a re-tune, he got 213.
next time I dynoed at helix (10 months later)...189, with no prep, and pretty hot IAT. In my opinion, this last run was low due to extra blower heat, still not yet addressed
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Purple
Well. as you can see this thread has become a discussion of the fact that there are differences in dynos and the numbers that they produce.
MSFit's comments border on a type of humor that is dark in nature and that i choose not to participate in. Calling someone dumb is not my idea of a mature echange in this forum. If you think i'm soft and sensitive then perhaps we can have that conversation in person.
MSFit's comments border on a type of humor that is dark in nature and that i choose not to participate in. Calling someone dumb is not my idea of a mature echange in this forum. If you think i'm soft and sensitive then perhaps we can have that conversation in person.
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
what do stock Minis make at the conservative dynos?
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Purple
At Helix, i think stock minis make 146 or 149 whp. An 05 JCW with other mods made 283. The 90+ degree day i wass there, we synod 2 cars with head work and a bunch of ther stuff. One was 189 and ours was 193. Eric has offered that anyone with supercharger only mini that makes over 200whp on his dyno gets a free dyno. So, between going on a day when the temp is more suited for dynos and the fact that we got rid of the vacuum leak, i'm waiting for my free dyno at Helix. He's doing some work on the car now, so if there is an opportunity for it to happen, we will keep you posted.
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
So if a tuner develops some parts that make 215 whp on his dyno which might read 240 on someones elses he is not being judged correctly. The consumer who is unknowing may buy a lesser part thinking he is getting more (work with me...I have not had enough caffiene yet)
If, in fact, there is no standard, whats the point (unless your realling racing). See http://dinancars.com/whitepapersFile.asp?ID=9
Isn't the real test what makes you happy? I'm not trying to be funny or facetious but a number is a number. If you smile as you motor on ... priceless
Now with Randy new exhaust ... beyond priceless
Originally Posted by Cosmic Purple
Well. as you can see this thread has become a discussion of the fact that there are differences in dynos and the numbers that they produce.
MSFit's comments border on a type of humor that is dark in nature and that i choose not to participate in. Calling someone dumb is not my idea of a mature exchange in this forum. If you think i'm soft and sensitive then perhaps we can have that conversation in person.
MSFit's comments border on a type of humor that is dark in nature and that i choose not to participate in. Calling someone dumb is not my idea of a mature exchange in this forum. If you think i'm soft and sensitive then perhaps we can have that conversation in person.
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Originally Posted by K9MINI
No problem , if you feel the need to prove your a "tuff guy". maybe in person you might not be so offended, that chart is still funny as hell. I don't see how he called you dumb, his chart showed how he felt.....dude get a grip. If you feel the need to meet up let me know...I will put you on the schedule