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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 01:34 AM
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Want to lower my front end more, without coilovers...possibly?

I have about a 2 finger gap in the front, and frankly...thats too much. I heard that Koni Yellows drop the car half an inch due to it having a lower spring perch. Is this true? Even then that's not enough.

Or will/should I resort to coilovers?

Here's a pic
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 02:42 AM
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I've got the alta springs and my car's like that as well...sometimes it looks like I'm dragging my backside around!

...but....

I scrape that 'dangly bit' under the aero kit all the time, and I couldn't imagine lowering the front any more as it would be a colossal pain in the A to drive anywhere....

And if I were sporting a splitter on the front like you, I'd be even more paranoid!

Having said that, I don't know how you'd lower the front any more....I have seen cars with eibachs on there that look lower on the front than mine...perhaps you could get half a spring set from somwhere...?

Oh...and I have to say...I love those R99's!
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 07:21 AM
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zerofighter- I'm with you. I currently have M7springs on mine also and I want to go lower too. I'm looking for another 3/4-1 inch, I'm thinking about making the move to coilovers. Have you seen the Megan Racing coilovers that are advertised on www.outmotoring.com? They have built in camber plates and are decently priced. Most of my driving is on the highway so I'm not too worried about how hard it will be to drive in the city. I'll be watching this thread to see what folks have to say.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 07:37 AM
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even lower than M7 springs sure would look really sweet but you won't have any suspension travel left I think our cars need those "2 fingers"...
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 07:49 AM
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have anyone tried fitting front eibach lowering spring and rear stock MCS springs? would it look funny? how about the gap front/rear?
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 07:54 AM
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Zero,

I think your car looks f@#$Q@# sweet man, but fair is fair enough. I say talk with Peter about it and see what he says. He sells really trick Leda's [really too much for the street, of course], but he will certainly let you know if there's anything easily done or if you should even consider coils. What are the roads like near you? I can't imagine how often I'd rub that spoiler!

Originally Posted by zerofighter
I have about a 2 finger gap in the front, and frankly...thats too much. I heard that Koni Yellows drop the car half an inch due to it having a lower spring perch. Is this true? Even then that's not enough.

Or will/should I resort to coilovers?

Here's a pic
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 08:16 AM
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You already have really heavy wheels, but that is unsprung weight. What you need to do is add some lead weight inside the engine compartment, about 100lbs on each side should lower it enough. Then fill the boot area with more lead to lower the rear. All the added mass will smooth out the ride.

Or you could change to larger diameter tires. Instead of the 205/35-17s you could run some 205/50-17s and that would close up the gap by about .5 inches. Some 205/60-17s would close the gap by over 1 inch.



 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by zerofighter
I have about a 2 finger gap in the front, and frankly...thats too much. I heard that Koni Yellows drop the car half an inch due to it having a lower spring perch. Is this true? Even then that's not enough.

Or will/should I resort to coilovers?

A group asked me to measure before and after's with my Koni install. There was absolutely no difference. Sorry
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 08:45 AM
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I also saw no change in ride height swapping to Koni Yellow's. I think your best option will be to get adjustable spring perches, in whatever form you like, to get the exact ride height you need.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by RallyMINI
A group asked me to measure before and after's with my Koni install. There was absolutely no difference. Sorry
Ah, damn it, looks like I might have to get a set of coilovers.

Thanks for the comments everyone.

As for everyone else, it's fine with my splitter, just got the watch out for potholes, protruding manholes, road debris, road kill, construction areas, cut up roads, etc. It's not all that bad. So far, I haven't scraped or touched my splitter on anything, they only thing that scraps is the splash gaurd that hangs down under the engine. Calgary roads are pretty good, just gotta keep an eye out. I think if I drop the front a little bit more, at least half an inch, it will look so much better. If it ain't rubbing, it isn't low enough as my brother says.

Here's a pic of my brothers 330, see the drop really makes the car.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jbsf3
zerofighter- I'm with you. I currently have M7springs on mine also and I want to go lower too. I'm looking for another 3/4-1 inch, I'm thinking about making the move to coilovers. Have you seen the Megan Racing coilovers that are advertised on www.outmotoring.com? They have built in camber plates and are decently priced. Most of my driving is on the highway so I'm not too worried about how hard it will be to drive in the city. I'll be watching this thread to see what folks have to say.
Interesting, I just looking into KW v2s, but I think I'll search on these Megan Racing coilovers. Heard anything about them? I want the good, the bad, and the ugly! I plan to get more track time next season, so they MUST be able to handle the abuse I throw at it.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 01:35 PM
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Zero,
I don't have any info on them, I think they are fairly new. I've got an e-mail in to outmotoring for more info.

Here is a question for you coilover gurus- MUST you run camber plates with coilovers? I know plates are great to have if you are going to autocross but if I am getting coilovers just to go lower and want to keep a near stock camber setting/alignment- can it be done without plates? I just got an offer on a set of lightly used H&R coilovers from an individual that is selling his car- they will be hard to pass up at the price if I don't need the plates.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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Wow zero, your bro's 3 series is absolutely slammed. I know a guy who bought a used (raced) M3 that actually looks a little lower than that. He has 500 lb in springs and needs to run crazy high camber to stop the wheels from rubbing .

Actually, I wonder about just cutting a coil off the stock spring. It'd give you a slightly lower stance without dropping as much as aftermarket sets.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 02:39 PM
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i would raise the rear. the front looks fine. the car weight's too
much biased to the back. great if you're drag racer on a FR.

if you lower even further, you're going to run out of sus travel
for street.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2005 | 03:08 PM
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from a purely performance stand point... a more rear bias spring setup (like eibach) helps weight distribution slightly, because it'd shift the weight slightly back...

that said.. i have eibachs front and rear... with my new 215/45-17, even if it doesnt look 'slammed' up front (i have about 1.5-2 finger gap)... im rubbing over harder bumps front AND rear... also the front lip under the bumper is about 3 inches off the ground! not exactly ideal in snowy conditions
 
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Old Oct 2, 2005 | 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kyriian
from a purely performance stand point... a more rear bias spring setup (like eibach) helps weight distribution slightly, because it'd shift the weight slightly back...

that said.. i have eibachs front and rear... with my new 215/45-17, even if it doesnt look 'slammed' up front (i have about 1.5-2 finger gap)... im rubbing over harder bumps front AND rear... also the front lip under the bumper is about 3 inches off the ground! not exactly ideal in snowy conditions
I have never had any rubbing issuees what so ever, even with a full car, I run 215/40R17s. Don't worry about the splitter, I am taking it of for winter.



Originally Posted by kapps
Wow zero, your bro's 3 series is absolutely slammed. I know a guy who bought a used (raced) M3 that actually looks a little lower than that. He has 500 lb in springs and needs to run crazy high camber to stop the wheels from rubbing .

Actually, I wonder about just cutting a coil off the stock spring. It'd give you a slightly lower stance without dropping as much as aftermarket sets.
Apparently, he wants to go just a little bit lower Too me, it's a perfect drop right now on his car...no wheel gap. Cutting springs is not an option for me, as it is unsafe.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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"see the drop really makes the car."


Nope, it's those BBS wheels that make it look soo cool



Originally Posted by zerofighter
Ah, damn it, looks like I might have to get a set of coilovers.

Thanks for the comments everyone.

As for everyone else, it's fine with my splitter, just got the watch out for potholes, protruding manholes, road debris, road kill, construction areas, cut up roads, etc. It's not all that bad. So far, I haven't scraped or touched my splitter on anything, they only thing that scraps is the splash gaurd that hangs down under the engine. Calgary roads are pretty good, just gotta keep an eye out. I think if I drop the front a little bit more, at least half an inch, it will look so much better. If it ain't rubbing, it isn't low enough as my brother says.

Here's a pic of my brothers 330, see the drop really makes the car.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 08:31 PM
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how about perrin springs?? 1.9" front, 1.5" rear

http://www.sportcompactonly.com/prod...00301&c=29&l=2

never heard of them before but alot of their stuff made for WRX's and reminds me of ALTA.
 
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 03:27 PM
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Perrin is ALTA aren' they? When you call ALTA they mention something about Perrin being the parent company or something, right?
 
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 03:32 PM
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That would make sense since the ALTA springs also claim to lower the car significantly more on the front then rear. It's certainly a nice price if its true
 
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:55 PM
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Hmm, interesting. 1.9f & 1.5r. I'd love to see them installed on a car. I don't think I will be going for a set of coil-overs. I may end up trading in my car after winter! Only time will tell.
 
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 05:03 AM
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I've got Alta springs and that isn't the case....my front end has the gap...the rear looks quite low...

Unfortunately I'm at work and can't get any better pics for you...so what I have on NAM will have do:

It's a little hard to see, but you can see the gap on the front in this pic:
 
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