Suspension Want to lower my front end more, without coilovers...possibly?
Want to lower my front end more, without coilovers...possibly?
I have about a 2 finger gap in the front, and frankly...thats too much. I heard that Koni Yellows drop the car half an inch due to it having a lower spring perch. Is this true? Even then that's not enough.
Or will/should I resort to coilovers?
Here's a pic
Or will/should I resort to coilovers?
Here's a pic
I've got the alta springs and my car's like that as well...sometimes it looks like I'm dragging my backside around!
...but....
I scrape that 'dangly bit' under the aero kit all the time, and I couldn't imagine lowering the front any more as it would be a colossal pain in the A to drive anywhere....
And if I were sporting a splitter on the front like you, I'd be even more paranoid!
Having said that, I don't know how you'd lower the front any more....I have seen cars with eibachs on there that look lower on the front than mine...perhaps you could get half a spring set from somwhere...?
Oh...and I have to say...I love those R99's!
...but....
I scrape that 'dangly bit' under the aero kit all the time, and I couldn't imagine lowering the front any more as it would be a colossal pain in the A to drive anywhere....
And if I were sporting a splitter on the front like you, I'd be even more paranoid!

Having said that, I don't know how you'd lower the front any more....I have seen cars with eibachs on there that look lower on the front than mine...perhaps you could get half a spring set from somwhere...?
Oh...and I have to say...I love those R99's!
zerofighter- I'm with you. I currently have M7springs on mine also and I want to go lower too. I'm looking for another 3/4-1 inch, I'm thinking about making the move to coilovers. Have you seen the Megan Racing coilovers that are advertised on www.outmotoring.com? They have built in camber plates and are decently priced. Most of my driving is on the highway so I'm not too worried about how hard it will be to drive in the city. I'll be watching this thread to see what folks have to say.
Zero,
I think your car looks f@#$Q@# sweet man, but fair is fair enough. I say talk with Peter about it and see what he says. He sells really trick Leda's [really too much for the street, of course], but he will certainly let you know if there's anything easily done or if you should even consider coils. What are the roads like near you? I can't imagine how often I'd rub that spoiler!
I think your car looks f@#$Q@# sweet man, but fair is fair enough. I say talk with Peter about it and see what he says. He sells really trick Leda's [really too much for the street, of course], but he will certainly let you know if there's anything easily done or if you should even consider coils. What are the roads like near you? I can't imagine how often I'd rub that spoiler!
Originally Posted by zerofighter
I have about a 2 finger gap in the front, and frankly...thats too much. I heard that Koni Yellows drop the car half an inch due to it having a lower spring perch. Is this true? Even then that's not enough.
Or will/should I resort to coilovers?
Here's a pic

Or will/should I resort to coilovers?
Here's a pic

You already have really heavy wheels, but that is unsprung weight. What you need to do is add some lead weight inside the engine compartment, about 100lbs on each side should lower it enough. Then fill the boot area with more lead to lower the rear. All the added mass will smooth out the ride.
Or you could change to larger diameter tires. Instead of the 205/35-17s you could run some 205/50-17s and that would close up the gap by about .5 inches. Some 205/60-17s would close the gap by over 1 inch.
Or you could change to larger diameter tires. Instead of the 205/35-17s you could run some 205/50-17s and that would close up the gap by about .5 inches. Some 205/60-17s would close the gap by over 1 inch.
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Originally Posted by zerofighter
I have about a 2 finger gap in the front, and frankly...thats too much. I heard that Koni Yellows drop the car half an inch due to it having a lower spring perch. Is this true? Even then that's not enough.
Or will/should I resort to coilovers?
Or will/should I resort to coilovers?
A group asked me to measure before and after's with my Koni install. There was absolutely no difference. Sorry
I also saw no change in ride height swapping to Koni Yellow's. I think your best option will be to get adjustable spring perches, in whatever form you like, to get the exact ride height you need.
Originally Posted by RallyMINI
A group asked me to measure before and after's with my Koni install. There was absolutely no difference. Sorry 

Thanks for the comments everyone.
As for everyone else, it's fine with my splitter, just got the watch out for potholes, protruding manholes, road debris, road kill, construction areas, cut up roads, etc. It's not all that bad. So far, I haven't scraped or touched my splitter on anything, they only thing that scraps is the splash gaurd that hangs down under the engine. Calgary roads are pretty good, just gotta keep an eye out. I think if I drop the front a little bit more, at least half an inch, it will look so much better. If it ain't rubbing, it isn't low enough
as my brother says.Here's a pic of my brothers 330, see the drop really makes the car.
Originally Posted by jbsf3
zerofighter- I'm with you. I currently have M7springs on mine also and I want to go lower too. I'm looking for another 3/4-1 inch, I'm thinking about making the move to coilovers. Have you seen the Megan Racing coilovers that are advertised on www.outmotoring.com? They have built in camber plates and are decently priced. Most of my driving is on the highway so I'm not too worried about how hard it will be to drive in the city. I'll be watching this thread to see what folks have to say.
Zero,
I don't have any info on them, I think they are fairly new. I've got an e-mail in to outmotoring for more info.
Here is a question for you coilover gurus- MUST you run camber plates with coilovers? I know plates are great to have if you are going to autocross but if I am getting coilovers just to go lower and want to keep a near stock camber setting/alignment- can it be done without plates? I just got an offer on a set of lightly used H&R coilovers from an individual that is selling his car- they will be hard to pass up at the price if I don't need the plates.
I don't have any info on them, I think they are fairly new. I've got an e-mail in to outmotoring for more info.
Here is a question for you coilover gurus- MUST you run camber plates with coilovers? I know plates are great to have if you are going to autocross but if I am getting coilovers just to go lower and want to keep a near stock camber setting/alignment- can it be done without plates? I just got an offer on a set of lightly used H&R coilovers from an individual that is selling his car- they will be hard to pass up at the price if I don't need the plates.
Wow zero, your bro's 3 series is absolutely slammed. I know a guy who bought a used (raced) M3 that actually looks a little lower than that. He has 500 lb in springs and needs to run crazy high camber to stop the wheels from rubbing
.
Actually, I wonder about just cutting a coil off the stock spring. It'd give you a slightly lower stance without dropping as much as aftermarket sets.
.Actually, I wonder about just cutting a coil off the stock spring. It'd give you a slightly lower stance without dropping as much as aftermarket sets.
i would raise the rear. the front looks fine. the car weight's too
much biased to the back. great if you're drag racer on a FR.
if you lower even further, you're going to run out of sus travel
for street.
much biased to the back. great if you're drag racer on a FR.
if you lower even further, you're going to run out of sus travel
for street.
from a purely performance stand point... a more rear bias spring setup (like eibach) helps weight distribution slightly, because it'd shift the weight slightly back...
that said.. i have eibachs front and rear... with my new 215/45-17, even if it doesnt look 'slammed' up front (i have about 1.5-2 finger gap)... im rubbing over harder bumps front AND rear... also the front lip under the bumper is about 3 inches off the ground!
not exactly ideal in snowy conditions
that said.. i have eibachs front and rear... with my new 215/45-17, even if it doesnt look 'slammed' up front (i have about 1.5-2 finger gap)... im rubbing over harder bumps front AND rear... also the front lip under the bumper is about 3 inches off the ground!
not exactly ideal in snowy conditions
Originally Posted by kyriian
from a purely performance stand point... a more rear bias spring setup (like eibach) helps weight distribution slightly, because it'd shift the weight slightly back...
that said.. i have eibachs front and rear... with my new 215/45-17, even if it doesnt look 'slammed' up front (i have about 1.5-2 finger gap)... im rubbing over harder bumps front AND rear... also the front lip under the bumper is about 3 inches off the ground!
not exactly ideal in snowy conditions
that said.. i have eibachs front and rear... with my new 215/45-17, even if it doesnt look 'slammed' up front (i have about 1.5-2 finger gap)... im rubbing over harder bumps front AND rear... also the front lip under the bumper is about 3 inches off the ground!
not exactly ideal in snowy conditions
Originally Posted by kapps
Wow zero, your bro's 3 series is absolutely slammed. I know a guy who bought a used (raced) M3 that actually looks a little lower than that. He has 500 lb in springs and needs to run crazy high camber to stop the wheels from rubbing
.
Actually, I wonder about just cutting a coil off the stock spring. It'd give you a slightly lower stance without dropping as much as aftermarket sets.
.Actually, I wonder about just cutting a coil off the stock spring. It'd give you a slightly lower stance without dropping as much as aftermarket sets.
Too me, it's a perfect drop right now on his car...no wheel gap. Cutting springs is not an option for me, as it is unsafe.
"see the drop really makes the car."
Nope, it's those BBS wheels that make it look soo cool
Nope, it's those BBS wheels that make it look soo cool
Originally Posted by zerofighter
Ah, damn it, looks like I might have to get a set of coilovers.
Thanks for the comments everyone.
As for everyone else, it's fine with my splitter, just got the watch out for potholes, protruding manholes, road debris, road kill, construction areas, cut up roads, etc. It's not all that bad. So far, I haven't scraped or touched my splitter on anything, they only thing that scraps is the splash gaurd that hangs down under the engine. Calgary roads are pretty good, just gotta keep an eye out. I think if I drop the front a little bit more, at least half an inch, it will look so much better. If it ain't rubbing, it isn't low enough
as my brother says.
Here's a pic of my brothers 330, see the drop really makes the car.

Thanks for the comments everyone.
As for everyone else, it's fine with my splitter, just got the watch out for potholes, protruding manholes, road debris, road kill, construction areas, cut up roads, etc. It's not all that bad. So far, I haven't scraped or touched my splitter on anything, they only thing that scraps is the splash gaurd that hangs down under the engine. Calgary roads are pretty good, just gotta keep an eye out. I think if I drop the front a little bit more, at least half an inch, it will look so much better. If it ain't rubbing, it isn't low enough
as my brother says.Here's a pic of my brothers 330, see the drop really makes the car.

how about perrin springs?? 1.9" front, 1.5" rear
http://www.sportcompactonly.com/prod...00301&c=29&l=2
never heard of them before but alot of their stuff made for WRX's and reminds me of ALTA.
http://www.sportcompactonly.com/prod...00301&c=29&l=2
never heard of them before but alot of their stuff made for WRX's and reminds me of ALTA.
Hmm, interesting. 1.9f & 1.5r. I'd love to see them installed on a car. I don't think I will be going for a set of coil-overs. I may end up trading in my car after winter!
Only time will tell.
Only time will tell.
I've got Alta springs and that isn't the case....my front end has the gap...the rear looks quite low...
Unfortunately I'm at work and can't get any better pics for you...so what I have on NAM will have do:
It's a little hard to see, but you can see the gap on the front in this pic:
Unfortunately I'm at work and can't get any better pics for you...so what I have on NAM will have do:
It's a little hard to see, but you can see the gap on the front in this pic:
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