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So I need yours guys help ? Which one of my r53's do I turbo ? I was going to go for a 400+hp build with my grey cooper but it's already fast af , matter fact I just heat a 2016ish 5.0 manual mustang from 40-70 ( then he snickered m bad mouthed my car and made excuses) then beat him SOUNDLY 5-70 ( then he pulled a Uturn immediately and I couldn't give him grief for talking smack ). So I feel my grey car IS fast enough and it's uniqueness imo IS it's SPRINTEX and that almighty SCREAM !
I just am afraid it would loose that immediately, low end grunt and become a rolling power car only. I don't care if my white car is that way as it's mainly to be my daily driver. AND the the white car too has good supporting mods too like a ported sneedspeed Manifold and 340lph fuelpump but man . Idk ???? Which one would you guys put it on ?
Go with the white one - you've got the grey one so dialed in, why mess with perfection? Can't wait to see how the install goes - clearance issues/modification needs etc. then what this does for performance!
Cleaned the stuff up and found my waterpump and adapters , so that's one less thing the kit is going to need.
I will still wrap everything once I put it on AND put on a turbo blanket too but the journey begins NOW..
Do whichever one you want to do a BVH on (I'd leave the grey one alone unless it already has a head and the white one doesn't)
A factory head, even a JCW will simply bottleneck your performance, esp with a turbo and the goal you've set.
Not to mention the work you'll be putting in to install the Kit. (Fresh air cowl removal or modification, P/S and Coolant Tank relocation)
It "can" be done without, Boost is Boost, but you probably won't be happy without the head, esp knowing how much more you can have, with what you have, and very little extra wrenching.
I agree with @OutlandishnessDue , swapping a turbo for that supercharger in The Ricer would be painful to watch, it's already running like a beast after years of dedicated effort; a masterpiece. The PW, on the other hand, looks more like a blank canvas just waiting to be built out.
Personally, I couldn't live with a butt dyno. None of it is real unless you have a before & after dyno reading. As much as you've spent on these two cars, they deserve to know.
Well this kit isn't toptier no but it's a great starter kit.. and I will upgrade the turbo eventually too more than likely..
the guy made 311whp on stock head , stock cam and just bigger fuel system and even stock ecu but tuned obviously..
If I decide to put it on the white car I will absolutely install the kit WITH a ported head and turbo cam . I'm sure it will have no issues breathing through that.
my grey car already has a ns1 cam and tpr2 head with oversized filled valves but it's fasssst as it is and I like that it has so much low end power but still has a decent topend too..the white car is ALL down low power , its falls flat around 5500rpm but anything uneer islrs zippy forsure.
the guy actually sold this kit TO get the sidewinder kit and bigger turbo.. lol but after what he told me it uninvolved, I'm glad I didn't get a sidewinder manifold. Lolol he said had he not already bought the manifold, he'd put this kit back on and just redid a few things with it..
anyone in WI willing to put the kit on and together for me ? Take my car , tell me what exactly itle need , ille order it and you do the work. THEN you can HAVE my gen2 sprintex with vent fill plug a 60mm pulley AND a GPR tensioner , ported elbow , ported Xforce 421 headers ( setup for wideband and has correct adapter to adapt to any exhaust) , the bosche 5500cc injectors and pigtails and anything else that I won't use once the turbo kit goes on.. the car makes awesome power with it. In the video below it was a 85'F muggy night and had my 200lb buddy recording it for me.. pulls are at the end of the video. I also attached a pic of the one he'd went with.. it was 1600$ shipped he said and he spent another 900$ on a turbo.. then another 1000$ relocating ecu ect sooooooo I think ille stick with a log setup and midrange turbo for now..360whp I'd be more than happy with.
Here's pic of his setup.. as you see it was VERY basic and to make 311whp is very very acceptable imo.
Sorry pic sucks , I had to rig around to get it yet.
get a r50 water pump setup dril the pan for drain. Get a plate for feed. Dump straight into intake with meth for chemical intercooling to avoid piping. Run 10 psi..profit.
get a r50 water pump setup dril the pan for drain. Get a plate for feed. Dump straight into intake with meth for chemical intercooling to avoid piping. Run 10 psi..profit.
I MIGHT run the r50 style watetpump but I'd much rather run my electric waterpump setup if I can. Honestly, I will do which ever is easiest and I'm thinking that will be the electric waterpump setup.
I don't want to run meth . I prefer to run a good front mount intercooler.
I see gtt's turbo kit actually runs a intercooler in the stock spot , I wonder ALOT about that. A turbo shouldn't have as hot of iat's as my sprintex or even the stock sc but will it have hotter iat when it's running more boost than it is now ??? I don't know... BUUUUT if i coooooould run an intercooler in the stock spot that'd help install ALOT and imo I'd think it SHOULD outflow and have less boost lag and better throttle response vs a front mount..
aaaaaand I WOULD have just gotten another sprintex BUT it turned out to be a gen1 kit without any upgrades for it like tensioner or fillplug ect , then once id found that out the seller wouldn't budget on his price so I had to pass... I was willing to pay 3x more than I paid for my other sprintex I got BUT I wasn't willing to pay 3x more for a gen1 kit.. idc if the p.o said" I never had any issues with it" because regardless, it still has its problems it has and that's why they redesigned them to fix the issue the gen1 units had.. so that was kind of a bummer BUT it gave me the opportunity to get this turbo kit...
I DO like superchargers better , i like everything about them better than a turbo BUT i like to have a FAST car and as fast as I can make it at that with my budget
Maybe you could run a rear mount for the turbo and keep the sc upfront, then plug in the tech data to run them both; sc on the low end + turbo on the high end
I was laying out the least complicated lowest cost option. Sorry it isnt in line with yours. But it is the easiest and lowest cost.
yea unfortunately when it comes to turbo kits and parts for our cars , the demand for the parts just isn't there so the parts are usually made to order and we all know how custom prices can add up QUICK..
IMO , this kit I got , next to the gtt kit , I think its one of the easier kit to get installed and running. Sure it's not the toptier kit as far as quality and power ability BUT I'm still willing to bet itle out perform ANY aftermarket supercharger setup though... but lol I think I'd still rather have a tvs just because I could do all the install my self then..
Maybe you could run a rear mount for the turbo and keep the sc upfront, then plug in the tech data to run them both; sc on the low end + turbo on the high end
that actually was to goto option very early in r53 production but ad time went on it proved inefficient. A better supercharger or strait turbo was outperforming the twincharge setups.. buuuuut how COOL would it be to run a big Ole rear turbo where the battery box is and have a turbo sprintex ! I'd LOVE to but unfortunately I can't weld and I'd really like to pay someone to help me and get this turbo kit finished and on..
I've already begun putting money aside JUST for this turbo swap... because I figure i need about another 1000$ in parts like piping and intercooler and other bits and then if i gotta pay someone outrite because they don't want my parts that come off , I figure I gotta have about 1500$ for them...
I think maybe I will out a post up here and see if anyone wants to take me up on a trade offer , my parts for their labor and if Noone bites , i will probably have a custom shop around here do it OR have my buddy who can weld come help ( but he's always very busy with work abd has to finish his own mini yet too )...
Back in 2005 I bought the Alta Twurbo kit for my '03 and nearly went through with all the modifications to get it to work as a twin charger. You would install a larger pulley on the supercharger to cut down on parasitic loss. A friend of mine had had his car built by Fireball, or whatever the guys name was, which was the impetus for me to do it, but I ended up selling it before installing it and I'm glad I did! EMS options back then were not good, and you could never fully control the fueling as they used piggybacks with enlarged injectors on stock ECU's. My friend ended up putting a hole in cylinder #3 after a spirited run on the way back from Englishtown drag way and parked the car; I think it's still in his garage today!
Here's a pic I found from when I sold it. It had an integrated wastegate and the manifold looked a lot beefier than the one you're going to use. I'm guessing you're going to use a Tial 38mm wastegate? I don't see it in the pics. Where will the blowoff valve go? What type of turbo is that? I've never had good results with Chinese turbos, but maybe your results will be better!
Back in 2005 I bought the Alta Twurbo kit for my '03 and nearly went through with all the modifications to get it to work as a twin charger. You would install a larger pulley on the supercharger to cut down on parasitic loss. A friend of mine had had his car built by Fireball, or whatever the guys name was, which was the impetus for me to do it, but I ended up selling it before installing it and I'm glad I did! EMS options back then were not good, and you could never fully control the fueling as they used piggybacks with enlarged injectors on stock ECU's. My friend ended up putting a hole in cylinder #3 after a spirited run on the way back from Englishtown drag way and parked the car; I think it's still in his garage today!
Here's a pic I found from when I sold it. It had an integrated wastegate and the manifold looked a lot beefier than the one you're going to use. I'm guessing you're going to use a Tial 38mm wastegate? I don't see it in the pics. Where will the blowoff valve go? What type of turbo is that? I've never had good results with Chinese turbos, but maybe your results will be better!
The early days where not good or fun or glamourous at all. Especially when all the main heads worked or tried to work at the same shop. Before they all split. Deep dive stuff for people who didnt know some of the most infamous idiots where not always on their own. Every new product was the best ever until it wasnt if that makes sense. Sometimes it makes reading the new blood posts painful becasure they want to repeat or try things that where done and debunked decades ago now.
that actually was to goto option very early in r53 production but ad time went on it proved inefficient. A better supercharger or strait turbo was outperforming the twincharge setups.. buuuuut how COOL would it be to run a big Ole rear turbo where the battery box is and have a turbo sprintex ! I'd LOVE to but unfortunately I can't weld and I'd really like to pay someone to help me and get this turbo kit finished and on..
I've already begun putting money aside JUST for this turbo swap... because I figure i need about another 1000$ in parts like piping and intercooler and other bits and then if i gotta pay someone outrite because they don't want my parts that come off , I figure I gotta have about 1500$ for them...
I think maybe I will out a post up here and see if anyone wants to take me up on a trade offer , my parts for their labor and if Noone bites , i will probably have a custom shop around here do it OR have my buddy who can weld come help ( but he's always very busy with work abd has to finish his own mini yet too )...
The best off the shelf option is the pro alloy fmic kit. Its expensive but its nice stuff. So its a matter of pay up front for convivence or pay on back end and hope you can score trades or labor etc. It's not complicated work just takes some other skills and lots of trial and error back and forth which is again why lots go the pre fabbed route. The trade for labor is always down to luck of finding the person and how dedicated/skilled they are. You could again avoid the fmic and do a bullet water to air insert piece that goes from outlet of charger in-between intake inlet. But getting a truly high quality welded designed fmic is not gonna be under 2-3k I would think or even more as its a complete one off for your car vs a pre fabbed one.
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Here is the pro alloy air tech makes sort of a clone of this design as well. I know it will have sticker shock but again the cost of one being built locally is going to be costly unless again you find someone willing to put in the time and has quality fab skills for whatever it is your offering in return.
I am at the spot/age I dont have time for waiting on others or destroying body and would rather pay for convivence but that just me. I mean anyone can hack up intercooler pipe stock and use 9 billion rubber couplers but your ideally gonna want welded quality pipe runs. Otherwise order some stock off ebay a hack saw and a zillion couplers lol. Oh and get a bead roller lol.
Do whichever one you want to do a BVH on (I'd leave the grey one alone unless it already has a head and the white one doesn't)
A factory head, even a JCW will simply bottleneck your performance, esp with a turbo and the goal you've set.
Not to mention the work you'll be putting in to install the Kit. (Fresh air cowl removal or modification, P/S and Coolant Tank relocation)
It "can" be done without, Boost is Boost, but you probably won't be happy without the head, esp knowing how much more you can have, with what you have, and very little extra wrenching.
This is beyond true and can be a crucial mistake as well. NOt what he is saying but that if you crank the boost up with a stock head it will be a disaster on stock ringlands and internal combustion pressures. The stock ringlands are a weak point being so thin and high up the piston. Always remember psi is not psi between things that create the pressure. CFM and flow is key. But if you crank it up to say 20 psi it is obv not the same as 20 psi from another turbo or even the stock blower. So find a pressure map and do the math or keep it under 10psi with stock head. Be mindful of what a boost/psi reading is (measurement of restriction) you will be fine. Even if you could crank it up get 300 whp on the stock bits it would be running on the extreme of the stock pistons and head flow that it might not last long and that level. Plop the head on there now your making the same power at 10 psi you where on 20psi with a lot less stress on components.
None of it is real unless you have a before & after dyno reading. As much as you've spent on these two cars, they deserve to know.
