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I've had my 2016 Clubman S for about two months now and I've been looking for a new exhaust basically since the first day. What I've found is there aren't many options available, and most of them are very expensive - with the Remus, Supersprint, and JCW all being near $2000. The Nm is a nice setup for $1100, but I really want a valved exhaust that I can "turn off" when it's late at night, early in the morning, or when I'm on a long trip and want to keep my sanity. I've even thought of buying a QTP cutout and integrating it into the factory exhaust, which would be the cheapest route but the most time-consuming (and would also leave me without a factory exhaust to swap back on if the need would arise). So up until now, I've held off the temptation... until now.
I was watching Youtube videos last night and came across a new video posted by Dinan showing an exhaust system for the F60 Countryman.
I watched it and liked what I saw, so I went to Dinan's website to do a little more research and ended up ordering it.
Here's a link to their site with all of the specs, but the gist of it is it's an axle-back system in 304 stainless with a remote-controlled valve for $1100. It fits F54 and F60 front wheel drive models (sorry All4 owners) and it ships from Alabama so there's no waiting for overseas shipment. It's available with polished stainless or black tips. UPS is showing it will be delivered on Friday, and I should have it installed this weekend. I'll get some videos of it installed and give my impressions.
It's probably not going to have the all-out performance of a full replacement exhaust, but the difference should be minimal. I think this setup is going to be a great way to get the versatility of the expensive brands while costing half as much.
Congrats on your purchase, I’m sure you’ll be super happy with it. It looks like a nice assembly. My Dinan dealer told me about it when I was shopping for my exhaust and much to my dismay, there is no solution planned for the All4.
Why dont they make exhaust for the All4s?
Is the layout that much different?
I think the best choice is NM Engineering that fits both FWD and ALL4, without the valve option......
Not sure why but the rear transfer case on the current design won’t fit the all4. Its an odd strategy since I’d figure the lion share of countryman owners would opt for four wheel drive? I’m biased being in canada but I assume there was some rationale behind the decision. It’s funny, you need 10 points to get a Dinan badge, (exhaust 3, intake 3, tune 3) so technically there is no full blown Dinan model if you wanted one, just parts. Maybe their upgrade license plate frame...
My Dinan dealer told me about it when I was shopping for my exhaust and much to my dismay, there is no solution planned for the All4.
Originally Posted by jackiechuikei
Why dont they make exhaust for the All4s?
Is the layout that much different?
I think the best choice is NM Engineering that fits both FWD and ALL4, without the valve option......
Your Dinan dealer is mistaken. An ALL4 version is absolutely planned. In fact we have a potential solution we are waiting to test but can't for the life of us find an ALL4 thats near us willing to bring the car to the shop. That same solution would fit the BMW X1/X2 as well so its definitely an important deal for us. So if your reading this and have an ALL4 Countryman/Clubman and are close to Auburn, AL / Atlanta, GA and want a free exhaust for a day or 2 use please contact us at developmentcars@dinancars.com.
In regards to why we didnt make it fit both the ALL4 and non-ALL4 out of the gate we were aiming to make the kit fit as many different variants/models as possible with minimal change. The solution we ended up at changes the inlet pipe while keeping the can assembly intact no matter the application. Making a common pipe to work on both would require some modification to the vehicle which we didnt feel our customer base would be comfortable with to "split the difference". Our original test car was a non-ALL4 so thats what was originally developed even though the application list was smaller. It's what was available to us.
Your Dinan dealer is mistaken. An ALL4 version is absolutely planned. In fact we have a potential solution we are waiting to test but can't for the life of us find an ALL4 thats near us willing to bring the car to the shop. That same solution would fit the BMW X1/X2 as well so its definitely an important deal for us. So if your reading this and have an ALL4 Countryman/Clubman and are close to Auburn, AL / Atlanta, GA and want a free exhaust for a day or 2 use please contact us at developmentcars@dinancars.com.
In regards to why we didnt make it fit both the ALL4 and non-ALL4 out of the gate we were aiming to make the kit fit as many different variants/models as possible with minimal change. The solution we ended up at changes the inlet pipe while keeping the can assembly intact no matter the application. Making a common pipe to work on both would require some modification to the vehicle which we didnt feel our customer base would be comfortable with to "split the difference". Our original test car was a non-ALL4 so thats what was originally developed even though the application list was smaller. It's what was available to us.
Too bad I'm in MA.... Since my Clubman is an extra car, you could have it for a week~
Your Dinan dealer is mistaken. An ALL4 version is absolutely planned. In fact we have a potential solution we are waiting to test but can't for the life of us find an ALL4 thats near us willing to bring the car to the shop. That same solution would fit the BMW X1/X2 as well so its definitely an important deal for us. So if your reading this and have an ALL4 Countryman/Clubman and are close to Auburn, AL / Atlanta, GA and want a free exhaust for a day or 2 use please contact us at developmentcars@dinancars.com.
In regards to why we didnt make it fit both the ALL4 and non-ALL4 out of the gate we were aiming to make the kit fit as many different variants/models as possible with minimal change. The solution we ended up at changes the inlet pipe while keeping the can assembly intact no matter the application. Making a common pipe to work on both would require some modification to the vehicle which we didnt feel our customer base would be comfortable with to "split the difference". Our original test car was a non-ALL4 so thats what was originally developed even though the application list was smaller. It's what was available to us.
Nice to see you guys active on the forum and in new development for the f54/f60 chassis. You’d have sold one more exhaust had the all4 product been first. Now I’ve got a JCW kit on order so no turning back. Since you’re still shopping for a donor car for development, I guess it is still a ways out. You’ll still get me for a carbon intake...
Nice to see you guys active on the forum and in new development for the f54/f60 chassis. You’d have sold one more exhaust had the all4 product been first. Now I’ve got a JCW kit on order so no turning back. Since you’re still shopping for a donor car for development, I guess it is still a ways out. You’ll still get me for a carbon intake...
Not far out at all -- like I mentioned, we have a potential solution in hand that just needs to be tested and verified on an ALL4. We had an ALL4 that we took scans of back in California before we moved so we are pretty confident it will fit fine but nothing beats physically testing the real thing as there may be some minor tweaks needed hence the need for the car to physically be present at the shop. Once fitted its literally just mass producing a 2' section of pipe as the muffler assembly already exists (current non-ALL4 system).
[QUOTE=. Once fitted its literally just mass producing a 2' section of pipe as the muffler assembly already exists (current non-ALL4 system).[/QUOTE]
Wouldn’t there be some sort of testing period once it’s developed?! Like third party certification, or at least beta testing to see how it sounds/performs in real world applications? I’m not sure I’d want to spend $1500 to be a guinea pig. Admittedly, I have a pretty low risk tolerance with car parts this go around so I’m the wrong early adopter. I guess that’s how I went with OEM, the devil you know.
Wouldn’t there be some sort of testing period once it’s developed?! Like third party certification, or at least beta testing to see how it sounds/performs in real world applications? I’m not sure I’d want to spend $1500 to be a guinea pig. Admittedly, I have a pretty low risk tolerance with car parts this go around so I’m the wrong early adopter. I guess that’s how I went with OEM, the devil you know.
Testing was all done on the Countryman which uses the same motor and same diamater pipe and would produce the same sound (there is a slight pinch point on the Clubman as the only notable difference) . The only potential sound difference would be in-cabin sound given the change in physical space but even that would be minimal given the 2 models. Drone would be the potential concern there which would be tested of course at time of fitment but there would be no EXPECTED change in harmonics given the minimal change in space. Again, the change between the 2 systems would be 2' of pipe that has a slightly different angle to it -- no resonators, mufflers, packing, etc that would have any bearing on sound output would is touched --- just an adapter pipe.
Well, I for one am excited to see an option for the All4 coming out soon. Too bad I'm pretty far away from GA. I've been off on medical for the past four weeks and have two to go. It would have been perfect lol.
It does suck though that there is no way for F54 owners to reach the 10 points required for the Dinan badge. We can only reach 9 with the Elite Tune, Air Intake, and now Exhaust.
Well, I for one am excited to see an option for the All4 coming out soon. Too bad I'm pretty far away from GA. I've been off on medical for the past four weeks and have two to go. It would have been perfect lol.
It does suck though that there is no way for F54 owners to reach the 10 points required for the Dinan badge. We can only reach 9 with the Elite Tune, Air Intake, and now Exhaust.
The intention is to offer the core 4 product lines (tuning, exhaust, intake, and springs/bumpstops) to the MINI models which would then allow the badges to be achieved. Truth be told though, the MINI springs/bumpstops are not exactly at the top of the development priority list so that aspect is quite a ways out. I have inquired on some items that may be able to be integrated more quickly though and still allow the badge aspect to happen so we shall see what comes of that.
The intention is to offer the core 4 product lines (tuning, exhaust, intake, and springs/bumpstops) to the MINI models which would then allow the badges to be achieved. Truth be told though, the MINI springs/bumpstops are not exactly at the top of the development priority list so that aspect is quite a ways out. I have inquired on some items that may be able to be integrated more quickly though and still allow the badge aspect to happen so we shall see what comes of that.
why not a strut brace or something worthy of one point to get customers who want to sport the badge in a position where they can and where it doesn’t damage your credibility? 9 points of Dinan product is a little more than the JCW tuning kit as it is. Seems like it’s worthy, reasonably accessible, good for dealers and good for the brand. Just my 2 cents, I’d have gotten into that with your warranty protection.
why not a strut brace or something worthy of one point to get customers who want to sport the badge in a position where they can and where it doesn’t damage your credibility? 9 points of Dinan product is a little more than the JCW tuning kit as it is. Seems like it’s worthy, reasonably accessible, good for dealers and good for the brand. Just my 2 cents, I’d have gotten into that with your warranty protection.
I would love to have some bars under the car. I don't plan on lowering my Clubman until I get new wheels. New wheels won't come until I burn up my winter and all seasons for the stick set. Until then though, I will definitely take some supporting components.
I've had the exhaust installed for about a week and a half now, so here's what I think about it:
First off, the instructions are written for a Countryman, so the install on a Clubman is similar but not exactly the same. As far as wiring goes, I did have to remove the complete left side rear panel to access the wiring connections/hole for grommet. Instructions are here. I double-sided taped the control box into the cubby hole behind the left wheel well. The grounding post is on the wheel well as described in the Dinan instructions, but instead of running the power wire over to the right side hatch light, I just tapped into the left side light wiring (maybe the Countryman only has a light on the right side?). I believe that the red/yellow wire was the always hot on my car, but it's easy enough to test with a multimeter. Also, the instructions show cutting the stock exhaust pipe 2-3/4" behind the brace. I initially did cut here, but when everything was installed, the exhaust tips stuck out pretty far from the rear bumper (at least an inch). This made the tips very noticeable on the car, in a "that doesn't really look right" kinda way. Maybe the Countryman's rear bumper is more prominent than the Clubman, but I ended up removing another inch from the stock pipe, making the distance between the brace and the cut on my pipe 1-3/4". The whole assembly moved forward an inch and now the tips sit just about flush with the bumper cutouts, making them appear more like factory (NOTE: this was just my personal experience, I would recommend you go by Dinan's instructions and adjust accordingly to your personal preference!!!). And finally, there are three 70mm clamps provided with the kit - two for the tips and one for the midpipe-to-stock pipe connection. On the midpipe-to-stock pipe, the provided clamp didn't tighten down enough to clamp the pipes tightly, so I purchased a 2-1/2" sleeve clamp to hold the pipes together (a 2-1/2" u-bolt would also work). In the Dinan instructions, they specify using a 63.5mm clamp for this connection, but my system only contained 70mm clamps (maybe it was mispackaged). Again, not a big deal, but just check your particular clamps before starting. Other than that, everything went smoothly during the install.
As far as sound goes, I really like the system. With the valve closed, the car sounds almost like stock. Using a 1-10 scale, if stock is 3 then with the valve closed it's maybe a 4. It's impressive how a muffler half the size does the same amount of work. With the valve opened, the sound is more like a 7. The pops in sport mode are much more noticeable to where it almost sounds like a cap gun being shot behind you, and if you lean on the throttle it will give you a nice blat in between shifts (with an auto trans). Knowing how I am, I'll eventually try punching out the secondary cat to get a little more volume, but the way it sits now is a very nice-sounding system that's a noticeable change from stock without being too over the top.
I did take some video and a few pictures which I'll post later on once I get them uploaded. But, if you are looking for a valved system, the Dinan is a very good one.
I've had the exhaust installed for about a week and a half now, so here's what I think about it:
First off, the instructions are written for a Countryman, so the install on a Clubman is similar but not exactly the same. As far as wiring goes, I did have to remove the complete left side rear panel to access the wiring connections/hole for grommet. Instructions are here. I double-sided taped the control box into the cubby hole behind the left wheel well. The grounding post is on the wheel well as described in the Dinan instructions, but instead of running the power wire over to the right side hatch light, I just tapped into the left side light wiring (maybe the Countryman only has a light on the right side?). I believe that the red/yellow wire was the always hot on my car, but it's easy enough to test with a multimeter. Also, the instructions show cutting the stock exhaust pipe 2-3/4" behind the brace. I initially did cut here, but when everything was installed, the exhaust tips stuck out pretty far from the rear bumper (at least an inch). This made the tips very noticeable on the car, in a "that doesn't really look right" kinda way. Maybe the Countryman's rear bumper is more prominent than the Clubman, but I ended up removing another inch from the stock pipe, making the distance between the brace and the cut on my pipe 1-3/4". The whole assembly moved forward an inch and now the tips sit just about flush with the bumper cutouts, making them appear more like factory (NOTE: this was just my personal experience, I would recommend you go by Dinan's instructions and adjust accordingly to your personal preference!!!). And finally, there are three 70mm clamps provided with the kit - two for the tips and one for the midpipe-to-stock pipe connection. On the midpipe-to-stock pipe, the provided clamp didn't tighten down enough to clamp the pipes tightly, so I purchased a 2-1/2" sleeve clamp to hold the pipes together (a 2-1/2" u-bolt would also work). In the Dinan instructions, they specify using a 63.5mm clamp for this connection, but my system only contained 70mm clamps (maybe it was mispackaged). Again, not a big deal, but just check your particular clamps before starting. Other than that, everything went smoothly during the install.
As far as sound goes, I really like the system. With the valve closed, the car sounds almost like stock. Using a 1-10 scale, if stock is 3 then with the valve closed it's maybe a 4. It's impressive how a muffler half the size does the same amount of work. With the valve opened, the sound is more like a 7. The pops in sport mode are much more noticeable to where it almost sounds like a cap gun being shot behind you, and if you lean on the throttle it will give you a nice blat in between shifts (with an auto trans). Knowing how I am, I'll eventually try punching out the secondary cat to get a little more volume, but the way it sits now is a very nice-sounding system that's a noticeable change from stock without being too over the top.
I did take some video and a few pictures which I'll post later on once I get them uploaded. But, if you are looking for a valved system, the Dinan is a very good one.
Appreciate the review! Always helpful in the early part of a release to fine tune any issues especially.
Instructions are indeed based off the Countryman but I have passed along your notes here to the engineering team to coorroborate and hopefully update the instructions a bit so its a bit more applicable/easy to follow on the Clubman. Also apologize for the mis-kitted clamp, while you have already rectified it on your own if you do happen to need another down the road feel free to reach out to support@dinancars.com and they can assist. Haven't heard anyone else note the errant clamp so hopefully its an isolated error. Regardless, I am having production take a gander at the remaining systems we have in stock just to make sure that was the case.
Most importantly though. Enjoy the system. Other then the first time to just see what the difference was have you bothered closing the valves yet? =)
Other then the first time to just see what the difference was have you bothered closing the valves yet? =)
Not yet. I do flip it closed and open every few days just to keep everything moving so that it doesn't rust/corrode/stick, but other than that it's all open, all the time.
Now that I have some (a lot) of free time, I got my video made and got some pictures in between rain storms. Sooooo, here you go:
Intake induction sound changes with thei ntake installed but not the exhaust.
Sorry what I meant was a tune, not intake.
when had a 335 I had installed the performance exhaust and then had the performance power kit installed which was basically a software update to bump up the hp about 20. but i remember the exhaust note changed a bit. It sounded a little throatier, almost like a V8.
when had a 335 I had installed the performance exhaust and then had the performance power kit installed which was basically a software update to bump up the hp about 20. but i remember the exhaust note changed a bit. It sounded a little throatier, almost like a V8.
Depends on the tune. With a box like DINANTRONICS there is no meaningful change to sound. With a flash tune however there is POTENTIAL to change the sound a bit by programming more fuel to be released into the mixure at certain times for addition over/underrun rumbles etc. This is what MPPK on the BMW does.
Depends on the tune. With a box like DINANTRONICS there is no meaningful change to sound. With a flash tune however there is POTENTIAL to change the sound a bit by programming more fuel to be released into the mixure at certain times for addition over/underrun rumbles etc. This is what MPPK on the BMW does.
