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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 10:54 AM
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N18 250hp ????

Hello i want to get the most out of my mini cooper r56 2011 and i want to know is some has able to reach 250hp with dyno facts and whats mods you need it to get to those numbers,thanks ????
 
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 11:44 AM
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Do some research. That will get you the most amount of power.
 
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I was able to do it on my GP with modest mods an S might be a little harder because of small Turbo
 
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 12:51 PM
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I was able to do it on my GP with modest mods an S might be a little harder because of small Turbo
yes right now i have nm intake,2.5 magna flow exhaust,downpipe and it feels good but i want to go to the dyno when i have the jb4 on it
 
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 01:24 PM
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there's no such thing as a jb4...good luck
 
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 05:40 PM
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250 hp ?

can the stock clutch and drive-train handle that ?
 
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 06:01 PM
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can the stock clutch and drive-train handle that ?
It depends on how hard you accelerate and how smooth your shifting is, when the time comes you might want to checkout the more robust clutch kits at JM Turbo Coopers stage 1-5.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 06:05 PM
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the most you would see with those mods and a good tune is 200-225whp. Other than that, I have yet to see a MCS with proof of dyno more than that. People claim a lot, but unless you start messing with a bigger turbo, forged pistons, and so on. I would wait to see what Group4auto sports comes out with because I spoke to them and they said an OBDII tool might be in the works and will be a lot cheaper compared to a bench tune. Good luck.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2014 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by robmuntean
the most you would see with those mods and a good tune is 200-225whp. Other than that, i have yet to see a mcs with proof of dyno more than that. People claim a lot, but unless you start messing with a bigger turbo, forged pistons, and so on.
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 12:02 PM
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there's no such thing as a jb4...good luck
http://burgertuning.com/Mini_Cooper_...nce_tuner.html
how do you call this ?
 
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I call that what it's called....a JB+ (PLUS)
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RobMuntean
the most you would see with those mods and a good tune is 200-225whp. Other than that, I have yet to see a MCS with proof of dyno more than that. People claim a lot, but unless you start messing with a bigger turbo, forged pistons, and so on. I would wait to see what Group4auto sports comes out with because I spoke to them and they said an OBDII tool might be in the works and will be a lot cheaper compared to a bench tune. Good luck.
Thankyou let me know about what Group4auto is coming….
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ra2fanatic
I call that what it's called....a JB+ (PLUS)
that would be the proper way to call it but if you search jb4 on google it gives the same result
 
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That's is a JB+, which I love. The JB4 is a much more advanced tuning. The Mini group would love a JB4, but BurgerTuning is most likely only going to do the Stage 1, JB+. The Mini market is too small
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MarioKart
That's is a JB+, which I love. The JB4 is a much more advanced tuning. The Mini group would love a JB4, but BurgerTuning is most likely only going to do the Stage 1, JB+. The Mini market is too small
Yes totally i love my n18 motor and i am i going for the JB+ for the price of it because i have friend with the renntech and they love it but the price almost 1,000$ and you have to send it to them,i think JB+ for the price and what delivers is one of the best options right now on the market for n18
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Mini Cooper r56 Pr
that would be the proper way to call it but if you search jb4 on google it gives the same result
heh....not even gonna bother building a "because google said so" meme since i real work to take care of so...ok!
 
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Old Jun 9, 2014 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ra2fanatic
heh....not even gonna bother building a "because google said so" meme since i real work to take care of so...ok!
i am not arguing or telling you you are wrong but i think this is what forums where made so people with doubts or not the best info about a topic or something can be help in a peaceful way by others that knows more about certain things
 
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Is this Burger Tuning thing for real, or just another "chip" that richens your air/fuel ratio? Anyone tried it? Results?
 
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Old Jun 10, 2014 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by renchjeep
Is this Burger Tuning thing for real, or just another "chip" that richens your air/fuel ratio? Anyone tried it? Results?
Read the "burger tune" thread. It'll tell you everything you need to know. And yes it's legit, I have one.
 
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Thanks. I will check out that thread. Have you noticed any change in MPG?
 
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The biggest problem with the JB+'s is people think they can slap it on with all their engine mods. In fact, it was designed for a stock engine with all stock parts. The JB+ leans the engine out a little (thus the bump in average MPG, my average went up 5-7mpg). A FMIC and maybe a panel filter is all that will be okay with the JB+. This is precisely why some member's got a p0171 code for system too lean, because the fueling tables aren't tuned, they're stock, and the JB+ is tricking the system into commanding high target load (thus boost and/or timing).



More boost on stock timing and fuel tables is cookie cutter. I'd only safely advise this on a stock MCS running 93 oct. I'd certainly turn the dial down on it if you're running 91 oct.



edit: Manic Motorsports is releasing a tune via flashing through OBD port, I'd keep my eye on that since it's a legitimate tune with various tables modified.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2014 | 11:42 AM
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The biggest problem with the JB+'s is people think they can slap it on with all their engine mods. In fact, it was designed for a stock engine with all stock parts. The JB+ leans the engine out a little (thus the bump in average MPG, my average went up 5-7mpg). A FMIC and maybe a panel filter is all that will be okay with the JB+. This is precisely why some member's got a p0171 code for system too lean, because the fueling tables aren't tuned, they're stock, and the JB+ is tricking the system into commanding high target load (thus boost and/or timing). More boost on stock timing and fuel tables is cookie cutter. I'd only safely advise this on a stock MCS running 93 oct. I'd certainly turn the dial down on it if you're running 91 oct. edit: Manic Motorsports is releasing a tune via flashing through OBD port, I'd keep my eye on that since it's a legitimate tune with various tables modified.
And group4auto will be doing the same
 
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Old Jun 11, 2014 | 12:56 PM
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The biggest problem with the JB+'s is people think they can slap it on with all their engine mods. In fact, it was designed for a stock engine with all stock parts. The JB+ leans the engine out a little (thus the bump in average MPG, my average went up 5-7mpg). A FMIC and maybe a panel filter is all that will be okay with the JB+. This is precisely why some member's got a p0171 code for system too lean, because the fueling tables aren't tuned, they're stock, and the JB+ is tricking the system into commanding high target load (thus boost and/or timing).
my understanding is the MINIs ECU adjusts fuel trim levels based on conditions....if you are running an appropriate octane for the amount of boost you are pushing, my understanding is you shouldnt be leaning out at all.

i also fail to see how an intake/ intercooler/ exhaust/ ect. would have much of any influence on your AFR.......

i sure as hell havent seen a 5-7MPG increase.......my MPG has been a pretty rock solid 30 MPG since ive bought the car.
 
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Originally Posted by Mcameron
my understanding is the MINIs ECU adjusts fuel trim levels based on conditions....if you are running an appropriate octane for the amount of boost you are pushing, my understanding is you shouldnt be leaning out at all.

i also fail to see how an intake/ intercooler/ exhaust/ ect. would have much of any influence on your AFR.......

i sure as hell havent seen a 5-7MPG increase.......my MPG has been a pretty rock solid 30 MPG since ive bought the car.
Read up on maf-based tuning. All the DME tables are designed for performance specs of a stock vehicle. Period. Reducing intake and exhaust resistance makes a HUGE dent in the dmes compensation(timing as well as fueling) which isn't something that is constantly healthy. Ideally LTFT should be within 10% for the car to be running optimal, some people with the jb are bordering 20%, some are getting codes from it. Been there done that and learned some valuable lessons through my years of open source engine management tuning. Thankfully the jb is adjustable, the stock setup on the mini will still run the jb safely but not with engine mods.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2014 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mini Cooper r56 Pr
i am i going for the JB+ for the price of it
and because I prefer cheap over quality.
 
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