hey, is it bad for the car to downshift by pushing the clutch in match the revs then put it in the gear i'm downshifting to, then clutch out?? i know it is a dumbas# thing to ask. But thanks.

 

I usually rev it in neutral before engaging in gear to preserve the clutch wear. :smile:

 

Its good to rev match when you downshift, less stress on the tranny.

 

how bad is it for the clutch to rev while engauged?

 

It won't hurt the transmissiom much if you rev with the clutch engaged.

If you're trying to double clutch its not really necessary in the mini or in cars with modern transimissions. I just engage the clutch, rev match, downshift.

 

and if you really wanna have fun with this setup...learn do it while braking before coming into a curve.....as you press the brake, come into contact with the brake pedal so that only the left half of your foot hits the pedal leaving you room to "roll" the right half of your right foot over to the accelerator so you can raise the revs while braking to make the process even more smooth and much more suited to rapidly changing gears when you need to (for example coming into a corner fast and needing to brake and downshift before hitting the corner).

fun!

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You break, you clutch, you rev match, pop it into gear, you accelerate. DO NOT use the engine as a brake....you will overrev it mechanically which means all the antimoron devices on the engine control won't help you one bit and pieces will fly off your baby........

 

no problems reving the motor without the clutch engaged.
you just use some gas, that's all. :smile:

 

"You break, you clutch, you rev match, pop it into gear, you accelerate. DO NOT use the engine as a brake....you will overrev it mechanically which means all the antimoron devices on the engine control won't help you one bit and pieces will fly off your baby........ "

That would be bad, about the pieces flying off, but... downshifting for an approaching stop, has never caused me any troubles. Of course, you don't want to drop say 3rd to 1st (and over-rev or make the engine Scream, as a result - i agree that's bad)... I think you can somewhat quickly, with experience, get a feel for what rates of speed are OK for the particular gear. Sitting here "thinking about it" my downshifting is a gradual, SMOOOTH process - no engine abuse here (yeah i know famous last words).

A friend of mine once said "Talking about driving, is like dancing about architecture..."

edit: Rather than just dance about architecture, I just went outside and checked and I DO (unconsciously?) gas up the revs on some downshifts, all for smoothness's sake i spose - good thing at least my FEET know what the sam hill they're doing...

smile tomorrow's Friday,
Tatt

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I agree with these posts... but have a similar question to all of you experienced Mini drivers... don't you find the e-gas hard to rev-match? I drove a Miata for years and that car was PERFECT for this... I find that the software wants to hold onto the rev's longer than my brain does.

 

>>I agree with these posts... but have a similar question to all of you experienced Mini drivers... don't you find the e-gas hard to rev-match? I drove a Miata for years and that car was PERFECT for this... I find that the software wants to hold onto the rev's longer than my brain does.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i think it takes awhile to declarate because the heavy flywheel.

 

>>>>I agree with these posts... but have a similar question to all of you experienced Mini drivers... don't you find the e-gas hard to rev-match? I drove a Miata for years and that car was PERFECT for this... I find that the software wants to hold onto the rev's longer than my brain does.
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>>correct me if i'm wrong, but i think it takes awhile to declarate because the heavy flywheel.
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I'm an old git, what do I know. I doubt it has to do with the heavy flywheel though. The fly by wire throttle probably over protects, also perhaps the DSC?
Rev matching does not have to be perfect though, it should be used to lessen the shock on overything so a couple of hundred, even 5 hundred RPM is NBD.....

 

true true... I just had to put that in there... I loved the way the Miata was so simple in these regards... not as "electronic" as more modern cars. I guess it is one less layer between driver and machine. Not that I am slamming my current Mini or anything...

 

>>I agree with these posts... but have a similar question to all of you experienced Mini drivers... don't you find the e-gas hard to rev-match? I drove a Miata for years and that car was PERFECT for this... I find that the software wants to hold onto the rev's longer than my brain does.

I don't think that the software is the offender here.I posted a thread right after I got the car "deceleration hesitation" and what I've found out is that these cars have a large steel fly wheel which doesn't like to let go of revs. At some point, if I keep this car, I will pay the long dollar to have one of the Aluminum flywheels installed ,cause I still don't like the sensation of the accelerator being "stuck", if even for a half a second .Some time the next time you're out on the highway try this if you don't know what I'm talking about: in whatever gear you're in at the time, match the car's speed with the accelerator and then immediately take your foot off the accelerator,and see if you don't notice that the car does not immediately slow down,but pauses for a brief moment.Even though I have gotten used to it, I don't like it.
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