Grip levels of Countryman S R60s VS. Hatch R56S who's grips better?

1. In the same corners who would go faster? which would have more grip? if so, is it alot more grip?

2. what if the road turns out to be abit bumpy? will the countryman grip more? or the hatch will grip and sail through the bumps,slants,slopes better?

3. how about the real life overtaking acceleration? how much does the countryman lose by? (not 0-60mph, overtaking as in sth like 40 to 60. or sth similar used in real life )

4. btw i seem to find the normal hatch suspension (not sport) a bit softer than my countryman sport suspension...is that possible? seems to ride a bit softer to me? not really sure... or is it that the hatch i drove didn't have the runflats, but my all4 has the runflats. ><"

5. also, i love the torque steer in the hatch! it's amazingly fun and enjoyable..(some may find it scary since its pretty dense.you agree?) which isn't present in the countryman all4... how about the 2wd ctm? is it present there?

6. wax tips? do you like chemical guys? i tried the 5050 paste wax...but im still searching for my favorite....gonna try zaino next... any suggestions? hehe

 

I'm not an expert, so I could be wrong here... but I'd say grip will come down to tires and suspension so it's hard to say definitively. I'd assume the hatch will be quicker through the corners with all other things being equal, since it's smaller, shorter and lighter.

I'd give the hatch the edge on overtaking as well for the same reasons.

 

For question 5 there may be minimal torque steer due to the new software to help prevent it... I've read about MCS hatches where the issue is non existant... but on my JCW with winter tires, despite the anti-torque steer software, I still get a fair amount of torque steer - and I am still in break-in period so not pushing the car very hard.

 

1. Grip is all down to the tire and suspension. The car will provide a weight difference that adds to overcoming that grip so technically the lighter weight, shorter frame MCS would win out.

2. For bumpy roads, you'd need a softer suspension to compensate (read up on what rally racers do to their suspension and compare it to a track racer -- rally is generally slushier). That being said, if you take stock, probably the CM.

3. Overtaking, you'll have to look at the acceleration times for 45-60 ... I can't find stats offhand, but will add if I have time to find this.

4. "Softer" feels in driving isn't just related to RFs. Your suspension is also a token to how soft a ride is. Justa's are generally tuned for the "soft" ride (slushy shocks/springs in comparison). Tires are a secondary effect on the ride feel (harder tires = harsher ride).

5. Can't answer this.

6. I detail our cars (MCS and a Dodge Challenger) with Mothers products. I find theirs to be the easiest to work with and has the lasting effects I expect.

 

I had a Clubman Cooper D on sports suspension with 17" alloys, my CM is a Cooper D on sports suspension on 18" alloys, so far it's no comparison, I was able to push the Clubman around corners significantly faster than I can in the CM.

I'd say the Clubman was more fun to drive but the CM is far more practical, its still a fun drive but not as much fun as the Clubman. I also peferred the Clubman to the standard R55, the Clubman is far more settled on bumpy corners, less prone to bump steer, it feels far more stable, a lot less twitchy.

 

I will ask what is probably a dumb question, but I have read several reference to a Clubman Cooper D. What is this an how does it different form a standard Clubman S. Is it the diesel version perhaps of the Clubman? if so what are the specs on vs the S

 

Coming out of the corner on a hard surface you will be able to get onto the gas quicker with ALL4 and have better control. Since the CM is heavier you can not brake as deep as a lighter car (all thing being equal). From a stop to 60ft plus the CM will take it due to traction (drivers both being equal). CM ALL4 is 3208 lbs, CMS 2833 and MCS 2668. You you go onto a dirt or gravel road (or snow) the CM will eat the lunch of them both.

 

It's the diesel version of the Cooper, the SD is the diesel version of the Cooper S, there are diesel versions on sale in Europe of all the current model MINI's.

 

woah but i felt that the hatch r56S 184hp feels faster, is it because of the sounds, the torque steer? it pulls quite a lot of G's under acceleration. im still amazed....

according to the numbers, the hatch would be a second quicker only right? is that actually alot?

If we had go to a racetrack, the hatch would have win easily? But if the countryman has the ALL4, will that help? being able to get on the power before the hatch? who would win? hahahaha i really wanna try it! must be lots of fun