I've asked around in a different thread in the past about some opinions on wire kits that are available. Didn't get much(or really any) replies.
Now that some time has gone by, wondering if there are any other owners that are set up with an aftermarket plug and wire kit.
Went looking at MossMini's site, to find that they carry Jackson Racing wires now. Guess they must have replaced them with the Magnecore set they were offering before(?). I was thinking of either the Magnecore or the Nology(which seems to be more widely offered) at the time. But now there are the MonsterMini set, the Jackson set, BMPdesign's set, Nology, and possibly still the Magnecire........(somewhere out there.)
Looks like I may go with the Nology wires. Does anyone else have that setup? If so, any problems? How much improvements did it add?
As well, this is for anyone; I was thinking of adding some aftermarket plugs to go with the wires. Tuners just offer the wires and not the plugs by the looks of it. Any suggestions on a good performing plug for my MCS, that'll work well with the rest of the engine, as well as the new wires?
Thanx for any help that anyone can bring to the table.
Cheers,

 

>>I've asked around in a different thread in the past about some opinions on wire kits that are available. Didn't get much(or really any) replies.
>>Now that some time has gone by, wondering if there are any other owners that are set up with an aftermarket plug and wire kit.
>>Went looking at MossMini's site, to find that they carry Jackson Racing wires now. Guess they must have replaced them with the Magnecore set they were offering before(?). I was thinking of either the Magnecore or the Nology(which seems to be more widely offered) at the time. But now there are the MonsterMini set, the Jackson set, BMPdesign's set, Nology, and possibly still the Magnecire........(somewhere out there.)
>>Looks like I may go with the Nology wires. Does anyone else have that setup? If so, any problems? How much improvements did it add?
>>As well, this is for anyone; I was thinking of adding some aftermarket plugs to go with the wires. Tuners just offer the wires and not the plugs by the looks of it. Any suggestions on a good performing plug for my MCS, that'll work well with the rest of the engine, as well as the new wires?
>>Thanx for any help that anyone can bring to the table.
>>Cheers,
The stock plugs are quite good. Bosch Platinums if I remember right.
Spend the money and get 8.5 mm wires. I've used Jackson wires in the past and it's a good product. Magncores seem to be the next best bet. Don't know who makes the wires BMP sells.
I'd avoid the Nology wires solely based on comments I've read. No empirical data really.
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What do aftermarket wires offer over stock? Is there anything wrong with the stock wires?

 

Letsmotor: Aftermarket wires usually create a better spark, more spark, add hp, increase acceleration and throttle repsonse, and somewhere in there improve gas mileage. But I'm not too worried about the last item there. Just want this puppy to haul ****. Stock plugs usually prevent all of those items above. They don't want you having TOO much fun now. And what's best of all to offer the MCS, would be to hopefully overcome that little dead-zone in 1st gear. :evil: Grrrrr. I'll find that sweet spot yet.
Thanx for the response there OBEHAVE. I'll take all of that into consideration.
Keep it coming folks, please. Just asking for a little help with my homework here.
Cheers all,

 

obehave- Just curious-What have you read or heard about the nology wires? I have been to their factory in Carlsbad, CA. I like what I have seen so far. Plus they run well and look good on my Mini. No complaints here.




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>>obehave- Just curious-What have you read or heard about the nology wires? I have been to their factory in Carlsbad, CA. I like what I have seen so far. Plus they run well and look good on my Mini. No complaints here.
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Like I said. No personal experience. It's just that between here and the MINI2 forum I haven't seen any glowing recommendations and a few negative comments. That and maybe I'm overly sensitized from hearing Miracle Spark Plug wire claims since the 70's. If I came off as bashing I didn't mean to.
Glad you're happy. That's one in the plus column. But you do sell them don't you?
Found what I was looking for. I do realize this is old but still a little off putting to me:
The recent Circle Track Magazine (USA, May, 1996 issue) test showed Nology "HotWires" produced no additional horsepower (the test actually showed a 10 horsepower decrease when compared to stock carbon conductor wires). The perceived effect a brighter spark, conducted by an ignition wire, encased or partially encased in a braided metal sleeve (shield) grounded to the engine, jumping across a huge free-air gap (which bears no relationship to the spark needed to fire the variable air/fuel mixture under pressure in a combustion chamber) is continually being re-discovered and cleverly demonstrated by marketers who convince themselves there's monetary value in such a bright spark, and all sorts of wild, completely un-provable claims are made for this phenomena.

 

Thanks for the info. I will further look into it as well. My partner did the research on this item. I do think it is fair to say that with our current technology turn over, 6 year old data maybe equivalent to 20 year old information. Just because of the new technologies that are always being introduced.

Yes. We do sell Hotwires on the Diamond Racing site. Which prompted me to ask for more information.

I am still a consumer, before a seller or dealer. Anybody can just throw things together and create any environment to get any performance numbers that they want to once maybe even twice.

Using my Software Testing background. If we do not know the conditions of the test or dyno pull, or if these conditions can not be realistically duplicated in a real world environment then to me the results are not valid. Example: I know for a fact, based upon information from GodSpeed Dyno in Oceanside, that I can get better numbers if I Ice intakes. But, this is not a realistic condition.

I think as consumers, we only want to work with items and products that will produce positive results in performance and HP. Which is why Cy and Myself put every item that we sell on our cars first and run them before we agree to carry them.

This is one item that we have not dyno'd yet. But, it has been track tested. Meaning I did notice a difference when I was racing with them. Soon, I will have the correct software needed to capture real race performance numbers. Then we will post our results. Thus further validating all performance and HP gains that we will see for each of the products that we carry. Which as you may or may not know will be more realistic numbers then what one will get from a dyno pull.

FYI- If you do see items drop off the Diamond Racing site, it is because what we had believed or had been led to believe as performance and HP gains were actually not true.

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>>Thanks for the info. I will further look into it as well. My partner did the research on this item. I do think it is fair to say that with our current technology turn over, 6 year old data maybe equivalent to 20 year old information. Just because of the new technologies that are always being introduced.
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>>Using my Software Testing background. If we do not know the conditions of the test or dyno pull, or if these conditions can not be realistically duplicated in a real world environment then to me the results are not valid. Example: I know for a fact, based upon information from GodSpeed Dyno in Oceanside, that I can get better numbers if I Ice intakes. But, this is not a realistic condition.
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>>I think as consumers, we only want to work with items and products that will produce positive results in performance and HP. Which is why Cy and Myself put every item that we sell on our cars first and run them before we agree to carry them.
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>>This is one item that we have not dyno'd yet. But, it has been track tested. Meaning I did notice a difference when I was racing with them. Soon, I will have the correct software needed to capture real race performance numbers. Then we will post our results. Thus further validating all performance and HP gains that we will see for each of the products that we carry. Which as you may or may not know will be more realistic numbers then what one will get from a dyno pull.
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>>FYI- If you do see items drop off the Diamond Racing site, it is because what we had believed or had been led to believe as performance and HP gains were actually not true.
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NIce. Didn't want to come off as a mud slinger. And yes I definitely agree that it's old data. It's just the first thng I could find.
Suggestion/question. Anybody workning on a high output coil? Used Accel and Jacobs in the past nad liked them. The MSD stuff I always wanted to try but never had the money.
Nice site BTW.

 

Thanx DiaMini. I'll be checking back to your site in the near future for more details as they become available for the wire kit in question, or any others you may offer. Don't really plan on acquiring anything right now, due to the oncoming winter season. Kind of defeats the purpose of spending money right now on mods that I can't really test or use to their abilities, due to the road and weather conditions. Most likely be getting really into it when Spring arrives. Winter time gives me more time to save up for additional mods as well. Hopefully by then there'll be more info out there on wires. I'll give it time to do some more research as well.
Cheers,

 

obehave-

I did not see mud came this way. I think owners need to be aware of the fact that something that sounds good, looks good and feels good may not be providing the gains we would expect.

I hope that none of my products turn out this way. But, who knows? I could of missed some data or articles or information regarding the subject.

I do look at some Coil, Wire, Plugs, etc. and other mods the same as software and hardware mods.

Analogy-
Does the average user see a difference between a 256K/66mhz and a 256k/133 MHz memory chips. Probably not. I know I do not. But, a program might and most will.

Just like 17 lb wheels verses 20 lb wheels.

Will the average commuter notice a difference? Probably not. But, a pro SCCA or SOLO II racer would. And if it makes difference to them, then it should still have a positive impact on my stuff as well. Even if I phsyically notice or not.

 

NIce talking to you. Very nice to see personal interest in your products.
Keeping an eye on you guys

 

DiaMini:

Just was curious about those Hotwires that you have on your site. Are they set for stock plugs? Or would you recommend going with some others? If so, any that you would suggest?
Might be contact you in regards to going ahead and purchasing the yellow set for my MCS withing the next little while. Need something to mod, even though winter's around the corner.
Noticed you have 2 yellow Mini's. Any testing been done for the Cooper'S' as far as the wires go? Are they different for the 2 models?
Just trying to know more about them. sorry about all the questions. Been that you've been helpful in the area discussed, what's your name so I know whom I've been talking to about this all with, when I all in the order. Didn't check for a phone# the last I was on your site, but I'll check, and try to contact you sometime within a week or so(?).
Thanx again for your time.
Cheers,

 

MINI-MadMan, Moss Mini still has the Magnecor wires. I just ordered some, and I hope they make as much of a difference as some people have described. I also hope that they (along with Moss's air intake) are simple enough to install for me; I can't claim to have done anything under a hood before, other than changing oil! Anyone care to tell me what tools will be necessary?

 

>>MINI-MadMan, Moss Mini still has the Magnecor wires. I just ordered some, and I hope they make as much of a difference as some people have described. I also hope that they (along with Moss's air intake) are simple enough to install for me; I can't claim to have done anything under a hood before, other than changing oil! Anyone care to tell me what tools will be necessary?
I've had the Magnecores on for about a week. Can't say that there is a big improvment but I didn't really expect large gains. What makes any seat of the pants judgement tough is that the temp dropped about 15 degrees the next day. The car felt peppier but the cooler air was most likely the factor. At idle and just off idle the engine feels smoother.
The install was easy. The lengths were very accurate. When you pull the old one just match the new wire. Remember to turn the old wire a quarter turn or so then use a back and forth twist as you're pulling the wire. The is true for both ends.
To install make sure you do the long plug end first. Put both thumbs on the wire boot on each side of where the wire exits the boot(DO Not push down on the wire). You need to push firmly and rock the boot at the same time. You will feel the connector clip over the plug terminal. Also the skirt of the boot will flatten out nicely on top of the valve cover. Try to align the wire exit direction the same way the stock wire ran.
Do one wire at a time
Besides the blue 8mm wires look good with my EB Cooper S

 

Thanks for the instructions! Sounds like something hard to really screw up.

>>Besides the blue 8mm wires look good with my EB Cooper S

Yeah, the red ones will look nice in my Chili Red MC. I'm curious as to why (other than the aforementioned color scheme) you would order the 8mm blues over the 8.5mm reds, which are only $10 more? Is the increased thickness not necessarily an advantage? Sorry if this is an elementary question; the MINI has sparked a sudden interest (no pun intended) in engine performance, which my other relatively boring vehicles have left me fairly clueless about.

 

helix has some comments on the Nology wire claims...check out their site.

i just put on the jacksons myself: red, silicone and only $60

i used to have an MSD on my hopped up 2002 and they put out a real firestorm for a spark, probably a good thing for a forced induction motor.

 

MINI-MadMan,
(----My comments)

----Sorry I have been off line for a while. We are getting both our Minis ready for SEMA. Talking about a real energy drain. WOW...

Just was curious about those Hotwires that you have on your site. Are they set for stock plugs?
----These wires are for stock plugs. We looked into a the matching set that nology offers but they will not work with our Minis.

Or would you recommend going with some others?
----I would always look into upgrading to a hotter plug. I know in the 57' Chevy's I have restored, hotter plugs did make a difference over stock plugs.

If so, any that you would suggest?
----I have not done all the research needed to find out if a change in plugs from stock will be warranted?

Might be contact you in regards to going ahead and purchasing the yellow set for my MCS withing the next little while. Need something to mod, even though winter's around the corner.
----Both my partners and my personal cell numbers are on our site under contacts. Please feel free to call us at anytime.

Noticed you have 2 yellow Mini's. Any testing been done for the Cooper'S' as far as the wires go?
----I know the same wires will work on a "S". But, because of SEMA all our efforts have been focused on the Cooper CVT's that we have. After SEMA we will be engaged in a Cooper "S" project. Now, if would of known that we would have been going down this performance upgrade path at the time we purchased these cars. I would of purchased an "S". But, all this just kind of happened.

Are they different for the 2 models?
----Some of the performance mods we are doing can be used on both, because of the different engine combination. Everything else that we will be bring on board that does not involve the engine we are finding out will work on both applications, I.E. Wheels, brakes, outside the bonnet suspension upgrades, interior, exterior, etc.

Just trying to know more about them. sorry about all the questions.
----I enjoy answering questions. My name is Tracy and feel free to call me at anytime.

Been that you've been helpful in the area discussed, what's your name so I know whom I've been talking to about this all with, when I all in the order. Didn't check for a phone# the last I was on your site, but I'll check, and try to contact you sometime within a week or so(?).

----I am glad that I can help. Thanks for the warm comments.
Tracy

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>>Thanks for the instructions! Sounds like something hard to really screw up.
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>>>>Besides the blue 8mm wires look good with my EB Cooper S
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>>Yeah, the red ones will look nice in my Chili Red MC. I'm curious as to why (other than the aforementioned color scheme) you would order the 8mm blues over the 8.5mm reds, which are only $10 more? Is the increased thickness not necessarily an advantage? Sorry if this is an elementary question; the MINI has sparked a sudden interest (no pun intended) in engine performance, which my other relatively boring vehicles have left me fairly clueless about.

Just the color. Honestly, unless you have a really fat spark(high output coil) the 8mm wires are plenty.
I'm asking around about a high output coil. No takers at the moment.